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Read Carefully and Answer

Question 1:

If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already, three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, and she had syphilis, would you recommend that she have an abortion?


Read the next question before looking at the answer for this one.

Question 2:
It is time to elect a new world leader, and only your vote counts. Here are the facts about the three leading candidates.

Candidate A -
Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with astrologists. He's had two Mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.

Candidate B -
He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of whiskey every evening.

Candidate C -
He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and never cheated on his wife.

Which of these candidates would be your choice?

Decide AND ANSWER first, then scroll down AND TALLY your for the answer.



Candidate A is Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Candidate B is Winston Churchill.

Candidate C is Adolph Hitler!

And, by the way, the answer to the abortion question:
If you said yes, you just killed Beethoven.

Pretty interesting isn't it? Makes a person think before judging someone.

Monday, September 28, 2009

O'Lord, let me never foget you


FW: [sadhaka] Oh Lord, Let me Never Forget You (Sep 27, 2009)

Assudo Bhatia Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 10:14 AM
To: agrasen@gmail.com

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 02:55:57 +0000
Subject: [sadhaka] Oh Lord, Let me Never Forget You (Sep 27, 2009)

: Shree Hari:
Ram Ram
27th September, 2009, Sunday, Ashwin Shukla Navami

Have enthusiasm in your mind. Do not let your spirit and your courage down. All will become all right when you have enthusiasm within. It is difficult to detach from the world, but it is very easy to realize Bhagwaan (God). We create this bondage with the world. It is our own doing. Bhagwaan is with us all the time. When you say "I Am", Bhagwaan is there 100%. It is only the attachment of the world that prevents us from realizing this. If this attachment is not leaving you, than pray to Bhagwaan (God) saying "You release me from this bondage". Experience your lack of strength to become detached from the world. Many great saints have taken the support of Bhagwaan. Bhagwaan has many different ways of releasing you from these bondages. Therefore simply tell Him. He will shower His grace on you. Definitely! He will.

He is always showering His grace even on those who do not remember Him or do not listen to Him. Bhagwaan never gives up on anyone. Simply say - "Hey Naath mein Bhooloon nahin" "Oh Lord, Let me Never Forget You". You have to give up the ego of your strength and your abilities. With His grace, even the most difficult of all tasks will happen so very easily. And His grace is showering at all times. The fact that you are listening / reading to these messages, itself is "kripa" His grace. He keeps showering His grace.

Even if the child is non-deserving, then too the mother takes care of him. God is both mother and father. "Tvameva Maata cha Pita Tvameva." It is our egoism that is the root cause of all our problems. But God will take care of this. You put your 100% effort and leave the rest to God. Mother may have 10-12 children, but she is entirely 100% mother for each child. Same with Bhagwaan, He is 100% ours. He does not favor any one being over another. Ramji says I do not favor.

God's divine plays (lilas) are amazing. Bhagwaan plays with His devotees. He gets joy in playing with them. There are many more that know Bhagwaan as Bhagwaan nowadays. But there are very few who will turn everything over to Bhagwaan (take complete refuge in God). Very few! Just like mother enjoys taking care of the child, whatever the child does, including messing his clothes, she takes care of it. Child even chews on her nipple while suckling her breast for milk, yet mother tolerates everything. There is no one else like Bhagwaan. Only Bhagwaan is like Bhagwaan. He takes care and provides for all beings. Rukmaniji had tested Bhagwaan's almighty powers of being the provider of all. She had locked up a tiny ant in a box. On opening the box, the ant was feeding on a little piece of rice, fallen from Rukmaniji's tilak on forehead. Bhagwaan's compassion is amazing. Whoever depends on Bhagwaan, is never forsaken. He provides for all the infinite beings. Such a Bhagwaan is ours, our very own.

Surdasji was blind from birth. He once asked God to free him. He sat under a tree near a river, and everything was provided to him for his sustenance. Bhagwaan does all the work. Even today devotees in this age are taken care off with great love. Just like Mother is joyful in doing the children's work, similarly, God is happy to do devotee's work. There are many stories about devotees. Nathji a devotee, one day stubbornly said to Bhagwaan - I will not go for bikhshaa (begging for food / alms). He simply sat in one place and starved for three days. Suddenly a cowherd came and brought him some milk. Bhagwaan takes care of everyone. Such is our Bhagwaan. Gentlemen, simply become engaged in Bhagwaan. Only God is Mine, No One Else Is. "Mere Toh Giridhar Gopal, Dusero na Koyi."

From Discourse in Hindi on Jan 2, 2004 at 3:30 pm by Swami Ramsukhdasji.
Ram Ram

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INDIA AFTER April 11 2011

Dear Hariharanji,

Namaskar. According to the date given by you in your email, it reads (from April 11, twentythousand eleven); I am sure much water would have flown through the Ganga and over the world by then bringing about the much awaited changes and more!

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Wait for just two more years and you'll see the revival of the glorious past of our great motherland ( from April 11, 20011 the world would accept as a major super power after collapse of many dynastic and and theocratic countries.

If you like me, raise your hands.
If you don't, raise your standards..! !
hariharan k (hariharan krishnamurthy)


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Subject: [Shakti-L: 10697] Fwd: Hats off to India
Date: Monday, 28 September, 2009, 3:36 PM

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To: niranjan1937@gmail.com

Many of you may have already seen this BUT I pass this article around for your reading and sharing!

water on moon! Hats off to India

Indian chandrayan finds water on the moon.


Published on Fri 25th Sep 2009 13:51:48
Updated On Fri 25th Sep 2009 14:43:35

New Delhi, September 25:

Time and again, India has done it and shown to the world that we are second to none. And we have beaten the best in the world both in quantity as well as quality. India boasts of third largest numbers of doctors, scientists and engineers.



Hats off to India

dineshbajaj Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 8:03 AM
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Many of you may have already seen this BUT I pass this article around for your reading and sharing!

water on moon! Hats off to India

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Published on Fri 25th Sep 2009 13:51:48
Updated On Fri 25th Sep 2009 14:43:35

New Delhi, September 25:

Time and again, India has done it and shown to the world that we are second to none. And we have beaten the best in the world both in quantity as well as quality. India boasts of third largest numbers of doctors, scientists and engineers.

India has to its credit some of the greatest discoveries which changed the way we live on earth. And now we have taken a giant leap forward and discovered the existence of water on the moon. Our ‘baby’ Chandrayaan-I, which was described as a failed mission after ISRO lost contact with it, has discovered something which no other country ever did.

The presence of water on lunar surface was detected by India's own Moon Impact Probe (MIP) on Chandrayaan-I, a finding confirmed by US space agency NASA which also had an instrument onboard the craft. The MIP while descending from Chandrayaan-I to moon, picked up strong signals of water particles.

Apart from India's MIP, the Moon Mineralogy Mapper (M3) of NASA on board Chandrayaan-I also confirmed the presence of water.

The landmark discovery by India’s maiden moon mission Chandrayaan-I could trigger a serious hunt for life in outer space. It is a major leap for India’s space programme and the unexpected discovery that water may still be forming on the moon surface has overturned the long accepted view that lunar soil is dry.

ISRO Chairman G Madhavan Nair said that he disagrees with the ‘media version that Chandrayaan-I crashed or failed. Earlier, I had said the mission was a 95 per cent success. Now I say it is 110 per cent success.’ Well, we fully agree with you, Mr Nair.

“There is confirmation of traces of water. It is a path-breaking event as far as Chandrayaan-I mission is concerned. It is very, very significant. So far, no mission has confirmed the presence of water positively,” Nair added.

Today, the world looks up to India. India is brimming with talent and the world hails our IT contribution. And we have been doing it consistently over the years.

Let’s go back in history a bit. At a time when the world was still to start the debate whether earth is round or whether earth goes round the Sun, Aryabhatta (6th century AD), an ancient astronomer gave the theory that earth for sure goes round the Sun. Aryabhatta also gave theory of square, cube roots and solving of simultaneous equation and gave the value of Pi (3.1416).

The theories given by India way back in the 6th century AD are still being used today in the same form. There are many invaluable gifts to the world of today from India.

Without Pi, zero and a fully developed decimal system (yes, this too India’s contribution), we would not have had computer, Internet or even dreamt of space travel.

India has been colonised by Britishers and has witnessed several invasions, thereby, going through an exploitation of the highest order.

It’s indeed a sweet irony that now the emerging superpower India has plans to colonise moon. Along with other major powers, India is all set to embark on its grand mission.

Hats off to India!



Saturday, September 26, 2009


: Shree Hari:
Ram Ram
24th September, 2009, Thursday, Ashwin Shukla Shashthi

I have heard the story of a saint who was going somewhere by train. A muslim passenger was sitting across from him. When it was time for "Namaaj" (prayer), the Muslim stood up, spread his handkerchief and began his prayer. The saint stood up as well. He kept standing while the Muslim was doing his Namaaj. After the Muslim completed his Namaaj, he asked the saint, why were you standing during my service to God? The saint replied, he was in service of God's servant, as the person who is praying to God is not an ordinary person. That person is in direct touch with God.
The names of God may differ from religion to religion and language to language, but there is only one God. When a person is devoted to the worship of God, the Almighty, he no more remains an ordinary person. Rather, he is in direct touch with the Supreme Being.
Just as an officer in a high position has great influence and authority, in the same way a devotee of God wields great influence and authority, as he is the representative of God, who is the Supreme Being. It is said in the Gita -
"Na tvatsamostyabhyadhikah kutonyo lokatra yepyapratimaprabhaava." (Gita 11/43)
"O Possessor of incomparable glory in all the three worlds, there is no one else equal to You, then how can anyone be superior?" (Gita 11/43)
He is the beloved of God for whom God Himself says : "Bhagat mere mukutmani" He is the jewel set in My crown. A devotee for whom God Himself has such a high regard deserves even greater regard from us. We should thank our stars if ever we are able to see (have darshan of) such a devotee.
From "The Divine Name" in English pg 14, by Swami Ramsukhdasji
Ram Ram


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In a trial of a suburban court in Patiala, prosecution attorney Cuckoo Singh called his first witness a grandmotherly .. elder lady to the stand.

Cuckoo Singh approached the lady and interrogated, well respected lady Gurvinder "Do you know me?

She strained her eyes and said droolingly, Yes, you naughty Cuckoo,,I have known you since you were a kid in nickers. You rascal you totally disappointed me. You lie , you cheat your wife you manipulate and worst of all your are a dirty womanizer. I never imagined Sardar Gurbax will have such a notorious boy like you..

Stunned, Cuckoo Singh felt embarrassed, and he fumbled and said O.K gram ma do your know the munda defense lawyer?

Who that Ghanta Singh.. Another spoiled brat, A drunkard, idiot has no etiquette of talking decently. He cheated so many women, including your wife Mandira. What a shame and scandel in their family..

Hearing all this the defense attorney Ghanta Singh nearly collapsed of shame.

The judge, immediately called both the lawyers and in hushed tone he warned both the layers, Now one more word you idiots, if you ever ask her if she knows me, I will damn it send both of you to Electric Chair,, is that clear??


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Friday, September 25, 2009



FW: Philosophical but True -

Mohan Natesan Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:17 AM
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 03:31:06 -0700
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Subject: Fwd: FW: Philosophical but True -
Date: Thursday, 24 September, 2009, 10:33 AM

With best wishes

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Subject: Fwd: FW: Philosophical but True -
To: biligirijois@yahoo.com, "prasad attavar"
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 1:10 PM

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To: prasad narayan a



Good quotes !!

> 1 .
> FACE ........ IT'S ABOUT THE
> ANY DOUBT....... ....... AT THE
> 10.
> Without GOD , our week would be: Sinday, Mournday, Tearsday, Wasteday, Thirstday, Fightday & Shatterday.

Remember seven days WITHOUT GOD makes a week WEAK!!

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Thursday, September 24, 2009



FW: Go kiss the world.

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Subject: Go kiss the world.
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:41:26 +0000

Go Kiss the World - Subroto Bagchi

This speech was delivered to the Class of 2006 at the IIM, Bangalore on defining success by Subroto Bagchi CEO MindTree.

I was the last child of a small-time government servant, in a family of five brothers. My earliest memory of my father is as that of a District Employment
Officer in Koraput, Orissa. It was, and remains as back of beyond as you can imagine. There was no electricity; no primary school nearby and water did
not flow out of a tap. As a result, I did not go to school until the age of eight; I was home-schooled. My father used to get transferred every year. The family belongings fit into the back of a jeep - so the family moved from place to place and without any trouble, my Mother would set up an establishment and get us going. Raised by a widow who had come as a refugee from the then East Bengal, she was a matriculate when she married my Father.

My parents set the foundation of my life and the value system, which makes me what I am today and largely, defines what success means to me today.

As District Employment Officer, my father was given a jeep by the government. There was no garage in the Office, so the jeep was parked in our house. My
father refused to use it to commute to the office. He told us that the jeep is an expensive resource given by the government- he reiterated to us that it was not "his jeep" but the government's jeep. Insisting that he would use it only to tour the interiors, he would walk to his office on normal days..
He also made sure that we never sat in the government jeep - we could sit in it only when it was stationary.

That was our early childhood lesson in governance - a lesson that corporate managers learn the hard way, some never do.

The driver of the jeep was treated with respect due to any other member of my Father's office. As small children, we were taught not to call him by his name. We had to use the suffix 'dada' whenever we were to refer to him in public or private. When I grew up to own a car and a driver by the name of Raju was appointed - I repeated the lesson to my two small daughters. They have, as a result, grown up to call Raju, 'Raju Uncle' - very different from many of their friends who refer to their family driver, as 'my driver'. When I hear that term from a school- or college-going person, I cringe.

To me, the lesson was significant - you treat small people with more respect than how you treat big people. It is more important to respect your subordinates
than your superiors.

Our day used to start with the family huddling around my Mother's chulha - an earthen fire place she would build at each place of posting where she would
cook for the family. There was neither gas, nor electrical stoves.The morning routine started with tea. As the brew was served, Father would ask us to read aloud the editorial page of The Statesman's 'muffosil' edition - delivered one day late. We did not understand much of what we were reading. But the
ritual was meant for us to know that the world was larger than Koraput district and the English I speak today, despite having studied in an Oriya medium school, has to do with that routine. After reading the newspaper aloud, we were told to fold it neatly. Father taught us a simple lesson.

He used to say, "You should leave your newspaper and your toilet, the way you expect to find it". That lesson was about showing consideration to others. Business begins and ends with that simple precept.

Being small children, we were always enamored with advertisements in the newspaper for transistor radios - we did not have one. We saw other people having radios in their homes and each time there was an advertisement of Philips, Murphy or Bush radios, we would ask Father when we could get one. Each time, my Father would reply that we did not need one because he already had five radios - alluding to his five sons.

We also did not have a house of our own and would occasionally ask Father as to when, like others, we would live in our own house. He would give a similar reply," We do not need a house of our own. I already own five houses". His replies did not gladden our hearts in that instant.

Nonetheless, we learnt that it is important not to measure personal success and sense of well being through material possessions.

Government houses seldom came with fences. Mother and I collected twigs and built a small fence. After lunch, my Mother would never sleep. She would take her kitchen utensils and with those she and I would dig the rocky, white ant infested surrounding. We planted flowering bushes. The white ants destroyed them. My mother brought ash from her chulha and mixed it in the earth and we planted the seedlings all over again. This time, they bloomed. At that time, my father's transfer order came. A few neighbors told my mother why she was taking so much pain to beautify a government house, why she was planting seeds that would only benefit the next occupant. My mother replied that it did not matter to her that she would not see the flowers in full bloom.. She said,
"I have to create a bloom in a desert and whenever I am given a new place, I must leave it more beautiful than what I had inherited".

That was my first lesson in success. It is not about what you create for yourself, it is what you leave behind that defines success.

My mother began and galvanized the nation in to patriotic fervor. Other than reading out the newspaper to my mother, I had no clue about how I could be
part of the action. So, after reading her the newspaper, every day I would land up near the University's water tank, which served the community. I would
spend hours under it, imagining that there could be spies who would come to poison the water and I had to watch for them. I would daydream about catching
one and how the next day, I would be featured in the newspaper. Unfortunately for me, the spies at war ignored the sleepy town of Bhubaneswar and I never
got a chance to catch one in action.. Yet, that act unlocked my imagination..

Imagination is everything.. If we can imagine a future, we can create it, if we can create that future, others will live in it. That is the essence of success.

Over the next few years, my mother's eyesight dimmed but in me she created a larger vision, a vision with which I continue to see the world and, I sense,
through my eyes, she was seeing too. As the next few years unfolded, her vision deteriorated and she was operated for cataract. I remember, when she returned after her operation and she saw my face clearly for the first time, she was astonished. She said, "Oh my God, I did not know you were so fair".. I remain mighty pleased with that adulation even till date. Within weeks of getting her sight back, she developed a corneal ulcer and, overnight, became blind in
both eyes. That was 1969. She died in 2002. In all those 32 years of living with blindness, she never complained about her fate even once. Curious to know what she saw with blind eyes, I asked her once if she sees darkness. She replied, "No, I do not see darkness. I only see light even with my eyes closed".
Until she was eighty years of age, she did her morning yoga everyday, swept her own room and washed her own clothes.

To me, success is about the sense of independence; it is about not seeing the world but seeing the light.

Over the many intervening years, I grew up, studied, joined the industry and began to carve my life's own journey. I began my life as a clerk in a government office, went on to become a Management Trainee with the DCM group and eventually found my life's calling with the IT industry when fourth generation computers came to India in 1981.. Life took me places - I worked with outstanding people, challenging assignments and traveled all over the world.

In 1992, while I was posted in the US, I learnt that my father, living a retired life with my eldest brother, had suffered a third degree burn injury and was admitted in the Safderjung Hospital in Delhi. I flew back to attend to him - he remained for a few days in critical stage, bandaged from neck to toe.
The Safderjung Hospital is a cockroach infested, dirty, inhuman place. The overworked, under-resourced sisters in the burn ward are both victims and perpetrators of dehumanized life at its worst. One morning, while attending to my Father, I realized that the blood bottle was empty and fearing that air would go into his vein, I asked the attending nurse to change it. She bluntly told me to do it myself. In that horrible theater of death, I was in pain and frustration and anger. Finally when she relented and came, my Father opened his eyes and murmured to her, "Why have you not gone home yet?" Here was a man on his deathbed but more concerned about the overworked nurse than his own state. I was stunned at his stoic self.

There I learnt that there is no limit to how concerned you can be for another human being and what the limit of inclusion is you can create.

My father died the next day. He was a man whose success was defined by his principles, his frugality, his universalism and his sense of inclusion.

Above all, he taught me that success is your ability to rise above your discomfort, whatever may be your current state. You can, if you want, raise your consciousness above your immediate surroundings. Success is not about building material comforts - the transistor that he never could buy or the house
that he never owned. His success was about the legacy he left, the memetic continuity of his ideals that grew beyond the smallness of a ill-paid, unrecognized
government servant's world..

My father was a fervent believer in the British Raj. He sincerely doubted the capability of the post-independence Indian political parties to govern the country. To him, the lowering of the Union Jack was a sad event. My Mother was the exact opposite. When Subhash Bose quit the Indian National Congress and came to Dacca, my mother, then a schoolgirl, garlanded him. She learnt to spin khadi and joined an underground movement that trained her in using daggers and swords. Consequently, our household saw diversity in the political outlook of the two. On major issues concerning the world, the Old Man and the Old Lady had differing opinions.

In them, we learnt the power of disagreements, of dialogue and the essence of living with diversity in thinking.

Success is not about the ability to create a definitive dogmatic end state; it is about the unfolding of thought processes, of dialogue and continuum.

Two years back, at the age of eighty-two, Mother had a paralytic stroke and was lying in a government hospital in Bhubaneswar. I flew down from the US where I was serving my second stint, to see her. I spent two weeks with her in the hospital as she remained in a paralytic state. She was neither getting better nor moving on. Eventually I had to return to work. While leaving her behind, I kissed her face. In that paralytic state and a garbled voice, she said,

"Why are you kissing me, go kiss the world." Her river was nearing its journey, at the confluence of life and death, this woman who came to India as a refugee,
raised by a widowed Mother, no more educated than high school, married to an anonymous government servant whose last salary was Rupees Three Hundred, robbed of her eyesight by fate and crowned by adversity was telling me to go and kiss the world!

Success to me is about Vision. It is the ability to rise above the immediacy of pain. It is about imagination. It is about sensitivity to small people. It is about building inclusion. It is about connectedness to a larger world existence. It is about personal tenacity. It is about giving back more to life than you take out of it. It is about creating extra-ordinary success with ordinary lives.

Thank you very much; I wish you good luck and God's speed. Go! kiss the world.

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Monday, September 21, 2009



Fw: Re: India's Psychological Shock Troops

Vijay Ashar Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 3:50 PM
To: sppasher@nus.edu.sg, kmacherla@gmail.com, atrimacherla@gmail.com, mallya@yahoo.com, nancywalder@yahoo.com, agrasen@gmail.com
Cc: "Dr. Kosla Vepa" , Rahul Chaturvedi
Another valuable lesson in true Indian history kept hidden and distorted from two generations of educated Hindus by the deceitful pseudo-seculars like Vijay Prashad, Romila Thapar, Arundhati Roy, Angana Chatterji, etc. If they really are convinced about their own twisted falsehoods, why do they continue to hide behind, so cowardly and deceptively their Hindu names even after their secret conversions to Christianity?

--- On Sun, 9/20/09, Kosla Vepa wrote:

From: Kosla Vepa
Subject: Re: India's Psychological Shock Troops
Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 12:21 PM

Here is an example fo a psychological attack by Prof Prashad, which am rebutting

I do not know which Galaxy Prof Prashad resides in or has obtained his education. Clearly, he is not familiar with the history of one of the oldest civilizations in the only habitable planet, of an insignificant star in one of the spiral arms of the Milky way Galaxy. Let us see what he is saying and separate facts from assumptions, ideology and opinion

Hindu Holocaust ?
Vijay Prashad - Professor of South Asian History Trinity College Hartford, Conn.


A fundraiser in New Jersey on Aug. 16 raised $50,000 for a "Hindu Holocaust" museum to be built in Pune. The museum is the brainchild of a Frenchman, Francois Gautier, and is under the auspices of the Viraat Hindu Sabha (VHS).

1. They claim that over the past thousand years, millions of Hindus were killed, with the intention to wipe Hindus off the map.

I do not think it is fair to say that Hindus alone were targeted. During the course of the centuries, Islamic historians by their own admission and assertions have claimed to have killed countless people and enslaved millions more. While they were fairly eclectic as to whom they killed and enslaved, they were particularly vicious towards people whom they regarded as ‘not of the book’. Such people were relegated to category of Kafirs or infidels. In fact it would be extremely accurate to say that they took great pride in reporting the killing of such infidels, so much so that every Islamic historian boasts about the large number of civilians that they beheaded after the end of each war. (see for instance Elliot and Dowson) The Hindu Kush when translated means the destructive burial ground of the Hindu, when many millions died on the long march to the slave markets of Isfahan, Samarkand and Damascus. See for instance, the paper by Scot Levi

Slavery and the Indian Slave trade during the middle ages by Scot Levi

2002, November: 'Hindus Beyond the Hindu Kush: Indians in the Central Asian Slave Trade,' Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society, 3d ser. (12, 3), pp. 277-88

Hindus beyond the Hindu Kush, Indians in the Central Asian slave trade by Scott Levi

The number of slaves was so high that slavery ceased to be an economically viable activity

2. The numbers are vague, as one might expect, but the culprit is precisely defined: Islam. The VHS uses the phrase "Islamic genocide of Hindus" to make its case. To me this is remarkable stuff. It reduces the complexity of the subcontinent's rich history into a simple morality play that has only two characters: the Hindu and the Muslim.

The numbers are vague precisely because the count was so high. If you tally up the numbers killed by Islamic hstorians, it adds up to about 70 million give or take a few million. Of course the culprit is precisely defined. Surely there should be no doubt in anybody’s mind about that. The late Rafiq Zakaria (Fareed Zakaria’s father) once remarked in a moment of uncharacteristic candor that yes, he realized tremendous numbers of Hindus were Killed by Muslims, but even so he could not bring himself to express regret and remorse at this holocaust of immense proportions.

In fact it is not the Hindu who reduces the history of India into Muslim and Hindu. For that remarkable instance of reductionism we have to thank the British and Jinnah for enunciating this breathtaking simplification that India is essentially composed of 2 nations, ignoring the vast mosaic of India which comprises of several ethnic groups such as Armenians, Jews, Parsees, Christians of the early syrian antioch church, and if we include the vast areas of South east Asia ,Central Asia and China, truly it could be said that the diversity of the Indic civilization is mindboggling in its complexity

3. The latter is the invader who has come and killed the former. Nothing else matters.

Surely , Prof Prashad is not taking the position that the killing of human beings , especially when it is so sustained and of a long duration (6 centuries) it should not become an important topic of history. Is he asking the Hindu to forget that such an event happened. Will Durant. The author of the multivolume Story of civilization takes the opposite view

Will Durant, the famous historian summed it up like this:
"The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within."

Koenraad Elst , the Belgian philologist writes in "Negation in India"

The Muslim conquests, down to the 16th century, were for the Hindus a pure struggle of life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and the populations massacred, with hundreds of thousands killed in every campaign, and similar numbers deported as slaves. Every new invader made (often literally) his hills of Hindus skulls. Thus, the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000 was followed by the annihilation of the Hindu population; the region is still called the Hindu Kush, i.e. Hindu slaughter. The Bahmani sultans (1347-1480) in central India made it a rule to kill 100,000 captives in a single day, and many more on other occasions. The conquest of the Vijayanagar empire in 1564 left the capital plus large areas of Karnataka depopulated. Even to this day, The Bellary district in India , where the mute remains of a once great empire stand silently, a monument of man’s inhumanity to man, especially the predatory nature of this ideology, remains one of the poorest districts in India, despite the fact that , Vijayanagara during its heyday was one of the richest cities in the world

As a contribution to research on the quantity of the Islamic crimes against humanity, we may mention that the Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate)..

But the Indian Pagans were far too numerous and never fully surrendered. What some call the Muslim period in Indian history, was in reality a continuous war of occupiers against resisters, in which the Muslim rulers were finally defeated in the 18th century. Against these rebellious Pagans the Muslim rulers preferred to avoid total confrontation, and to accept the compromise which the (in India dominant) Hanifite school of Islamic law made possible. Alone among the four Islamic law schools, the school of Hanifa gave Muslim rulers the right not to offer the Pagans the sole choice between death and conversion, but to allow them toleration as Zimmis (protected ones) living under 20 humiliating conditions, and to collect the jizya (toleration tax) from them. Normally the Zimmi(Dhimmi) status was only open to Jews and Christians (and even that concession was condemned by jurists of the Hanbalite school like lbn Taymiya), which explains why these communities have survived in Muslim countries while most other religions have not. On these conditions some of the higher Hindu castes could be found willing to collaborate, so that a more or less stable polity could be set up. Even then, the collaboration of the Rajputs with the Mughal rulers, or of the Kayasthas with the Nawab dynasty, one became a smooth arrangement when enlightened rulers like Akbar (whom orthodox Muslims consider an apostate) cancelled these humiliating conditions and the jizya tax. But no matter which way you slice it acceptance of Zimmi status is virtually a surrender to a diktat

4. The idea of the Hindu Holocaust casts the Hindu as history's victim, who should now become history's aggressor to avenge the past. But the Hindu was not always the victim. If you read the historical records carefully, you will find that many Hindus participated in the slaughter of other Hindus, and that the Hindu Buddhist battles of the ancient world were perhaps more bloody than anything that comes afterward. Or indeed, that the systematic violence against dalits and other subordinate castes should hold our attention far more than it does.

The argument here is breathtaking in its simplicity and the facility with which Prof Prashad makes this argument leads me to believe that he has taken leave of his senses. Surely his lack of self esteem is only exceeded by his naiveté, if he believes what he has just asserted. The argument goes essentially like this . There are a lot of murders taking place and hence that rationalizes the butchery committed by Islamic invaders and why should we single out the Islamic invader. I would like him to provide documentary proof that the extent of the killing by Hindus was comparable to the savage butchery that took place during the years of Islamic domination .

Speaking of dalits, I am reminded of a scene in Lawrence of Arabia, where IS Johar plays the role of a domestic servant and a guide to Peter o Toole. When they reach a well, IS Johar quenches his thirst by drinking from the well. Just then Omar Sharif appears on the horizon and kills IS Johar with one shot from his rifle. Peter O’Toole is flabbergasted and asks Omar Sharif why he needed to kill him. Omar Sharif replies “But he is not supposed to drink from my well”. I suppose the irony in this scene is that dead man do not live to complain about discrimination. The whole topic of Caste is a subject of debate in its own right and by bringing it up as a rationalization for the conduct of the Islamic invader, it serves no purpose and is indeed neither logical nor correct on ethical grounds.

5. Between Hindus and Muslims there has not been an endless rivalry for social power. When Islam enters the subcontinent, it does not come in the saddlebags of the Ghaznis or the Ghouris, but amongst the rumble of goods brought by traders. Early conversions are not by the sword but by the merchants . There was killing, but that was as much for reasons of warfare and plunder as for reasons of God and tradition. An interested reader might want to look at the distinguished historian Romila Thapar's superb book "Somnatha: The Many Voices of a History" (Penguin, 2005). There, Professor Thapar shows us that Mahmud Ghazni's destruction of the Shiva temple in 1026 was driven not so much by a fanatical religious belief but because his father, Subuktigin, needed money to sustain his faltering kingdom in Central Asia. Now it is certainly true, as historian Mohammed Habib put it, that there was "wanton destruction of temples that followed in the wake of the Ghaznavid army."

There is a combination of falsehoods and assumptions that make this very amusing reading Ghaznis attack on India. The point being made here is that banditry and thievery are a higher virtue than religious fanaticism. . But in Islam there is no distinction made between banditry and religion and in fact the prophet himself engages in raiding of caravans, because once he left Mecca he did not have a means of livelihood

6. When one looks at the sources contemporaneous with the Ghaznavid attacks, one finds that they mention these but only as a series among many. There was nothing about them that merits the term "Holocaust," even as they were certainly destructive of the temples and of the people who worshipped there. What Thapar points to is that this was not all done by the Central Asia marauders.
Many Hindu rulers led attacks on Hindu and Jain temples at this same time, and for similar reasons, as can be seen in the destruction of the Jain temples of Karnataka (which were converted into shrines of Shiva).

The exception does not make the rule here. Just because there are anecdotal instances of Kings who happen to be Hindu indulging in conduct not sanctioned by the Dharma, does not make it a cross we should all bear, unless therei s authentic documentation that it was a widespread practice. In the case of Islam , it is repeatedly stated by the Sultans that they are doing this to enhance their status as good Muslims

7. Indeed, there is little evidence of animus between Hindus and Muslims in the few hundred years after the entry of Ghazni. In the 13th century, a local raja, Sri Chada, granted a merchant from Hormuz the right to build a mosque on temple land. He also provided the mosque with a disbursement for teachers and preachers, for the daily reading of the Quran and for the celebration of festivals.

This simply is not true and I do not know where Prof Prashad gets this information from. AlBiruni mentions explicitly “Mahmud (Ghazni, his patron) utterly ruined the prosperity of the country and performed there wonderful exploits (read killing), by which the Hindus became like atoms of dust scattered in all directions of the country… Their scattered remains cherish, of course the most inveterate aversion t o all Muslims. This is the reason why Hindu sciences have retired far way from those parts o f the country conquered by us sand have fled to places which are hand cannot YET reach, to Kashmir. And there, the antagonism between them and all foreigners receive s more and more nourishment from political and religious sources

8. The Veraval-Somanatha inscription of 1264 shows us that evtn orthodox Shaivite priests cooperated in the building of the mosques. In the centuries that followed, common people of Gujarat followed the kind of tradition that runs from the padas of Narasimha Mehta to the padmavat of Malik Mohammed Jayasi, the ethos of mutual cultural development that was the hallmark of India for hundreds of years. Things developed to such a pass in Gujarat that in 1911, more than 200,000 people returned themselves as "Hindu-Musalman." In Kathiawar and Kutch, wedding services were, until very recently, solemnized by both a Saraswat Brahmin and a Qazi. Such is the history that is thrown to the wolves by the creation of a "Hindu Holocaust" museum.

Such instances, even if they are authentic, do not take away the argument that there was a holocaust of immense proportions. It is nobody’s contention that the vast majority of Muslims in India are not decent people . All the more reason that they should distance themselves from the apologists who rationalize or minimize the extent of the butchery that took place over the 6 centuries of Islamic domination.

9. Gautier came to India from France about 30 years ago, and settled in Pondicherry. He has written a few tracts and writes occasionally for the newspapers. His work reads like another European apologist for extreme Hindutva, Koenraad Elst. Both went to strict Catholic schools and now hold a deep animus against Christian missionaries, but seem to take their venom out mainly against Islam. Gautier and Elst want to make plain the "Muslim genocide against Hindus." But neither is a serious student of history, with little idea of how to read historical texts. They draw more from a misplaced passion than from a real, sober scientific exploration of the facts. That they are taken seriously is a sign of the degradation of reason in the world of Hindutva. Professor of South Asian History Trinity College Hartford, Conn.

But this still does not explain whether what they are saying is true or not. Shooting the messenger is the oldest trick in the book and calling somebody an apologist for extreme Hindutva just because they side with the Hindus on this issue is a childish argument but is used ubiquitously as the Brahmaastra of insults. My recommendation to Prof Prashad to stay away from characterizing his adversaries with a stereotype. The moment one caricaturizes and stereotypes a human being and reducing the multidimensional transcendental essence to a , one is indulging in bigotry of a high order. In fact this whole column reeks of stereotyping of the Hindu . I would draw attention to the fact that i make no such simplifying characterization of the Muslim. Despite the fact that the Holy Book and the scripture make atrocious statements and exhort Muslims into committing unspeakable acts such as murder, rape , enslavement, the vast Majority of Muslims are decent law abiding people. But I have yet to hear Muslim say unequivocally that the killing of innocent civilians and especially women and children is unconditionally wrong , and until that happens and there is remorse expressed at the scale of the killings there is always the fear that they will indulge in it again

Kosla Vepa

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Trishool wrote:

Hindus should identify these psychological shock troops and cultural warriors who have infiltrated our cultural institutions, secular organizations, and E-Mail discussion groups pretending as human right activists and humanists. They are influence peddlers and are crafty in disseminating misinformation and falsehood.

Dear Dr. Babu Ji,

The above is very true. I sent examples of abuse and distorted Hindu scriptures, to many Hindu groups, by fanatic, Muslim, organized group.

I am sorry to say, that not a single Hindu responded, or showed any concern or anger on false mudslinging by fanatic Muslims, on Hindu scriptures. !!

Of course, I did fight with them, and responded them in their language, exposing their own evil history, but most Hindus were silent and un concerned about Muslim attacks on Hindu scriptures, and India.

No doubt, my mails were hi jacked, and I was threatened by fanatic Muslim gang, but this Hindu warrior will keep fighting and protecting Hindu Dharma, and honor of Bharat.

I wonder, where are the followers of proud Hindus, like Chatrapati Shevaji Maharaj, Sardar Vallabh Bhai Patel, and many other great Hindu Heroes. !

God Bless Bharat.

Lal Gehi

--- On Sun, 9/20/09, Babu Suseelan wrote:

From: Babu Suseelan
Subject: India's Psychological Shock Troops


How do we find meaning in today's thought system of our psychological shock troops? Since independence, despite democratic rhetoric we hear and believe, we have become enslaved. The bogus secularists, mindless Marxists, fundamentalist Jihadists, phony intellectuals, missionary gangs and media agents have made an unholy nexus against our sacred culture, Hindus and India. Their main focus is the deliberate distortion of history, creation of unreality, erasing past brutality of Muslims, creating new memory, and denigrating Hindutva; and insulting Hindu organizations. Even today, these evil forces are involved in deliberate manufacturing of slanted information and have been on a collision course with reality. This anti Hindu unreality industry is huge. It is not an accident. It is multifaceted with enormous resources, muscle power and political clout. They dominate our country, our education, media and the government.
This anti Hindutva group is engaged in the deliberate manufacturing of falsehood, designing, manufacturing and distributing fantasies and fake theories. Instead of appreciating the cultural ethos of the nation, universal and all inclusive philosophical system, and facing the real issues, their energy is wasted on promoting meaningless theories of utilitarianism, deconstruction, proletarian revolution, jihadi terrorism and coercive religious conversion.
Instead of focusing attention on Islamic terrorism, coercive religious conversion, subversive activities, their energy is wasted on the creation of unreality and promoting misinformation and spreading mind viruses. Under the guise of freedom, they are indulging in aberrations..
A primary concentration of the reality industry dominated by Marxists, secularist, and Jihadists is to deny past Islamic brutality and present Jihadi terrorism. They are obsessed with the denial of reality and busy creating bogus theories to endorse Islamic invasion and atrocities. The deliberate, systematic manufacturing of falsehood, distortion of history has emerged primarily in reaction to Hindu resurgence.
The case in point is the proposed creation of a Hindu Holocaust Museum. Francois Gautier has been very active in promoting the idea of establishing a Hindu Holocaust Museum to remind Hindus of the genocide and to shed light on the past brutal history of Islamic invasion. How could we deny the dark side of our history? This Holocaust Museum will remind Hindus—how could Hindu genocide could happen? For an answer, we need such a Holocaust Museum. Holocaust Museum is the best solution and positive action for the examination of our real history. The Hindu Holocaust Museum planned by Francois Gautier is an inspiring and visionary work. This is an attempt to educate Hindus on the real history of Islamic brutality. It will also unchain Hindu spirit and empower Hindus.
Those who object Holocaust Museum are hiding behind a thick wall of denial, suffering from a cognitive disorder and they make the most vigorous efforts to manipulate minds. The secularists and the gullible public are trapped by a complex web of Marxists propaganda and media manipulation. These slave masters control our bureaucracy, education, and manage every facet of Indian life. They devise several bogus illogical propositions to bypass our history. Since it is particularly prevalent among Marxists, we should do well to learn their tricks and be on guard against it. Marxists and Jihadis are known for their argument from intimidation. It involves unintelligible verbiage which conveys nothing clearly except threats. Their noisy aggressiveness serves to hide their ignorance and intellectual impotence.
Hindus should identify these psychological shock troops and cultural warriors who have infiltrated our cultural institutions, secular organizations, and E-Mail discussion groups pretending as human right activists and humanists. They are influence peddlers and are crafty in disseminating misinformation and falsehood.
Hindus on any conditions should not make compromise with these shock troops. There should not be any compromise between our freedom and death, or between truth and falsehood. Hindus should wage an intellectual battle against such cultural warriors. Hindus should not be apologetic or wait for the approval of our enemies. Hindu shakthi could transform us from passive bystanders into the passionate architects of our future.

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Saturday, September 19, 2009



FW: at mcdonald's one day... :-)


A Return is requested....You'll see why.
Breakfast at Macdonald's
> This is a good story and is true, please read it all the way through until the end! (After the story, there are some very interesting facts!):
> I am a mother of three (ages14, 12, 3) and have recently completed my college degree.
> The last class I had to take was Sociology.
> The teacher was absolutely inspiring with the qualities that I wish every human being had been graced with.
> Her last project of the term was called, 'Smile.'
> The class was asked to go out and smile at three people and document their reactions.
> I am a very friendly person and always smile at everyone and say hello anyway. So, I thought this would be a piece of cake, literally.
> Soon after we were assigned the project, my husband, youngest son, and I went out to McDonald's one crisp March morning.
> It was just our way of sharing special playtime with our son.

> We were standing in line, waiting to be served, when all of a sudden everyone around us began to back away, andthen even my husband did.
> I did not move an inch... an overwhelming feeling of panic welled up inside of me as I turned to see why they had moved.

> As I turned around I smelled a horrible 'dirty body' smell, and there
> standing behind me were two poor homeless men.

> As I looked down at the short gentleman, close to me, he was 'smiling'
> His beautiful sky blue eyes were full of God's Light as he searched for acceptance. He said, 'Good day' as he counted the few coins he had been clutching.

> The second man fumbled with his hands as he stood behind his friend. I realized the second man was mentally challenged and the blue-eyed gentleman was his salvation.

> I held my tears as I stood there with them. The young lady at the counter asked him what they wanted. He said, 'Coffee is all Miss' because that was all they could afford. (If they wanted to sit in the
restaurant and warm up,they had to buy something. He just wanted to be warm).
> Then I really felt it - the compulsion was so great I almost reached out and embraced the little man with the blue eyes.

> That is when I noticed all eyes in the restaurant were set on me, judging my every action.
I smiled and asked the young lady behind the counter to give me two more breakfast meals on a separate tray.
I then walked around the corner to the table that the men had chosen as a resting spot. I put the tray on the table and laid my hand on the blue-eyed gentleman's cold hand.

> He looked up at me, with tears in his eyes, and said, 'Thank
> you.' I leaned over, began to pat his hand and said, 'I did not do this for you..God is here working through me to give you hope.'
> I started to cry as I walked away to join my husband and son. When I sat down my husband smiled at me and said, 'That is why God gave you to me, Honey, to give me hope..'
> We held hands for a moment and at that time, we knew that only because of the Grace that we had been given were we able to give.
> We are not church goers, but we are believers.
> That day showed me the pure Light of God's sweet love.
> I returned to college, on the last evening of class, with this story in
> hand. I turned in 'my project' and the instructor read it.
> Then she looked up at me and said, 'Can I share this?'

> I slowly nodded as she got the attention of the class.
> She began to read and that is when I knew that we as human beings and being part of God share this need to heal people and to
> be healed.

> In my own way I had touched the people at McDonald's, my son,the instructor, and every soul that shared the classroom on the last night I spent as a college student. I graduated with one of the biggest lessons I would ever learn:

> Much love and compassion is sent to each and every person who may read thisand learn how to
> There is an Angel sent to watch over you.
> In order for her to work, youmust pass this on to the people you want watched over.

> An Angel wrote:

> Many people will walk in and out of your life, but only true friends will
> leave footprints in your heart

> To handle yourself, use your head..

To handle others, use your heart.

> God Gives every bird it's food, but He does not throw it into its
> nest.

> Send it back, you'll see why!
> A box of gold
> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

> With a secret inside that has never been told
> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
> This box is priceless but as I see

> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
> The treasure inside is precious to me
> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Today I share this treasure with thee
> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

> It's the treasure of friendship you've given me.

> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Wednesday, September 16, 2009



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Do not be carried away by undue sentiments

and bubbling emotions. Control them.

Reflect how the calamity or trouble or

catastrophe has come. There is always

scope for suitable, effective, easy methods

to tide over the crisis or trying situation.

(Swami Sivananda)

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उठने वाली उत्तेजनाओं के प्रवाह में बह न जाओ।

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झंझट बरसी कैसे-इस पर मनन करो। परिस्थितियों

पर विजय पाने के लिए अनेकों प्रभावशाली और

आसान तरीकों की सदैव गुंजाईश रहती है।



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Vijay Ashar Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM
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These kinds of tragedies invariably happen when the values and ethos of the (Sanatana) Dharma of the land are spurned and ridiculed by the very government which is supposed to protect and uphold it. The Koyanaa Dam was planned and built during Nehru's regime who foisted false gods in the minds of millions of people by proclaiming that "large dams (like Bhakra-Nangal, Koyanaa, etc.) are the real temples of modern India", while at the same time he ridiculed people's faith in genuine temples like Somnath and Amarnath Temples, scorned the Sattwik power and energy of saints like Samarth Ramdas, Shri Bharati Krishna Teerthaji (of Vedic Math fame) , etc., and belittled the inspiring and uplifting patriotism of Shivaji, Veer Savarkar, Subhash Bose, Guru Govind Singh, etc. -- all in the name of imposing the alien concept of religious 'secularism' (atheism) on the nation's governance. The large educated but westernised class of Hindus need to get out of their mental and intellectual slavery and bondage so that they can learn to better recognize who are their real friends vs. who are 'dhutaaraa' (deceptive) friends.

MaNinaa bhuushitaH sarpaH Kimasau na bhayankaraH ..........(Hitopadesh)
[A poisonous snake, even when bedecked with a dazzling diamond does not become any more approachable without danger]

--- On Wed, 9/16/09, parashuram prabhu wrote:

From: parashuram prabhu
Subject: [proudHindu] (unknown)
To: "hindu civilization" , "Proud Hindu"
Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 7:50 AM

A Saint’s Visit to Koyanaa -Project

(Translated from Marathi biography of Bhagwaan Shridhar Swaamiji Mahaaraaj)

After the Koyanaa -Dam was full of water in 1963, there were frequent shocks of earthquakes. Why this was happening in a non-earthquake- prone area suddenly was a secret not known by anybody. What needs to be done to prevent these shocks was not known to any expert. There was an atmosphere of fear in the Koyanaa - Nagar and surrounding villages. Scientists and geologists put there heads together but did not succeed in suggesting any measures to save the dam. In fact no scientist can predict or prevent an earthquake!

Now authorities turned their minds to find out if any spiritual powers can save the dam from destruction. They decided to approach holy man(a siddh purush) and bring him to Koyanaa Dam so that by his spiritual power he could reduce the destructive powers of earthquakes.

Chief Engineer of Koyanaa Project, Shri Maane decided to meet Bhagvaan Shridhar Swaamiji Mahaaraaj at Sajjangadh and bring him to Koyanaa Nagar. He came to Sajjangadh and met Swaamiji and explained to him seriousness of problem at Koyanaa Nagar. Swamiji agreed to visit Koyanaa Dam.

At 2 p.m. on Vaishaakh Shukl Trayodashi in 1965,Swamiji climbed down Sajjangadh along with 15 of his disciples. Below there were four vehicles of Koyanaa Project waiting for the Swamiji. As was decided, the vehicles started moving towards the Koyanaa dam. At Koyanaa Nagar Shri Maane,Shri Kaapre and Shri Kundargi etc. received Shri Swaamiji and his disciples. Shri Mane took Shri Swaamiji to his bungalow where many people were waiting for his darshan and blessings.

At 5 p.m. Shri Swaamiji came on Koyanaa Dam behind which was vast Shiva Saagar Lake . On that day, it being Narasimha Jayanti, Shri Swaamiji was observing fast. He took bath in Shiva Sagaar Lake . Shri Swaamiji stood at a place where shocks were prominent and was in Bhaav Samaadhi talking to Lord Raam. He found that the Local Gods and Goddesses were unhappy and felt insulted and troubled due to construction of Dam and other project activities. In the project area many suicides were taking place. Water Gods in the vast stretch of Shiva Saagar lake were not propitiated. As a result many accidents were also taking place. Shri Swaamiji saw all this with his inner eye and told the authorities of the project: “look you should erect a Shiva-ling with constant water flow on it. Second thing is, this is a holy land which was made holy by the dust from the feet of Shri Samarth Raamdaas Swaamiji and Shivaaji Mahaaraaj. To earn the grace of these two great souls their statues should be erected on either side of the dam. Please keep in mind that debt of the ancestors and gods should be repaid. Do not forget these two great souls are Gods of Maharashtra. In short we should pacify the agitated energies of Gods around this project area. Shri Maane, the chief engineer, assured Bhagavaan Shridhar Swaamiji that he would implement his suggestions”

Thereafter Shri Swaamiji visited Hydro-Electric- Generator at Pophali at 10 p.m. In the night at 2:00 a.m. 3rd unit of this plant was switched on by Shri Swaamiji. Shri Swaamiji and his disciples were staying at guest house of Koyanaa Project. Swaamiji saw many places around Koyanaa and Pophali. At Swamiji’s suggestion a temple dedicated to Prataap Maaruti has been built. Maaruti is protecting the areas under the project. Shri Swaamiji left the guest house at 5:00 a.m. in the morning and reached Chaaphal for Lord Raama’s morning poojaa.

My comments:

As promised by Shri Maane the Gnagaavataran, the statues of Samarth and Shiva Chhatrapati have not been erected on either side of the dam- may be due to secular policies of the Government.

On 11th December 1967 at 4:21 hours Koyanaa Nagar experienced an earthquake of 6.3 magnitude. About 200 people died, thousands were injured and 5000 people became homeless within minutes. The Dam itself developed some cracks but it was saved from bursting. From 1960 to 1985 there were about 17 shocks of greater than 5 magnitude and about 150 shocks of greater than 4 magnitude.

Later studies said that when dam was full for the first time in 1963, the energy stress at the geological fault lines was equivalent to an earth quake of 6.8 magnitude. Till now more than half of the energy is released. Remaining energy will be released in coming decades.

Was the dam saved due to the visit of Bhagavaan Shridhar Swaamiji Mahaaraaj? Could the devastating earth-quake of 1967 have been avoided had the statues been erected?


Tuesday, September 15, 2009



[seattle-hindi] 'हैप्पी हिंदी डे'

Abhinav Shukla Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:39 PM
To: अभिनव शुक्ल

'हिंदी डे' की आपको बहुत मुबारकबाद,
आई है ये शुभ घड़ी एक साल के बाद,
एक साल के बाद चलो कुछ हिंदी कर लें,
भाषा को कर चार्ज बैटरी अपनी भर लें,
बात हमारी सुनकर के वो बोले, 'क्या बे?',
हमनें हँस कर कहा गुरु 'हैप्पी हिंदी डे'.

वो सुबह कभी तो आएगी,
वो सुबह कभी तो आएगी,

जब हिंदी भाषा का सूरज सारी दुनिया में दमकेगा,
जब हिंदी लेखक के घर में नोबेल का प्राइज़ चमकेगा,
जब हिंदी कवि सम्मलेन की,
हर एक सीट बिक जायेगी,

वो सुबह कभी तो आएगी,
वो सुबह कभी तो आएगी,

जब दिनकर पन्त निराला पर हालीवुड फिल्म बनाएगा,
जब आक्सफोर्ड की गलियों में तुलसी को पढ़ाया जाएगा,
जब माईकल रसिया नाचेगा,
जब सिंडी कजरी गाएगी,

वो सुबह कभी तो आएगी,
वो सुबह कभी तो आएगी.

आप सभी को हिंदी दिवस की ढेर सारी शुभकामनाएं.





[IndianVoice] "SAU TO CHOOHA KHA KAR BILLI HAJ KO CHALLI"-Christian Media Going Ga Ga to Sonia's travelling by Economy Class.Sonia& Christian Media Making an ASS of Indians-What about full pg Advert?

BRAHMASTHRA Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 2:09 AM

Dear Countrymen-Letters to the Editor-PCCouncil-CII-NHRC-Minorities Commission
Vande Mataram

The Congress thinks that it can fool the people and win elections in Maharashtra- where it seems that already the EVMS have been tampered.

It is the story unlimited- to quote a Few-- Sonias so called measures- reminds we Hindus of " Monkey and the two cats" ( Two Cats- Haves and the Have Nots) and as far as the Media goes- it is similar to "Emperor and His Cloths"- where the psycophant praise the king even where there were no clothes on him so is the Case with the CHRISTIAN MEDIA-IBN-NDTV-TIMESNOW-NRAM-HEADLESSLINES TALK AND VARIOUS CHRISTIAN MEDIA LUMPEN OUTFITS WHO GOT A SOLID SLAP AFTER THE RECENT GUJARAT BY ELECTIONS- WHERE THEY TRIED TO DEFAME SHRI MODI BY RAISING NON ISSUES- LIKE- FAKE ENCOUNTERS- JINNAH ETC. The Christian Media like the HMV "HIS MASTERS VOICE" ONLY agenda is to defame BJP- HINDUS ETC- Not Knowing that it is like fighting the SUN.

Million dollar Questions- How many seats or Rows of Seats were empty -front & Back- What about Security Guards Travelling?

Comment by a Traveller "Yes yesterday it was Sonia dn today it Rahul Gandhi.. travelling by economy class.... travelling by train etc. It is not the Rs 8,000/ saved that is important. It is the Five rows in front and five rows behind..that cost the country. Is it necessary for such an extravaganza of security measures in the air.. when every passenger is frisked and checked naked? This is fooling the public. Keep a couple of armed guards on the both sides of the passenger if felt necesssaary".

Today Rahuls so called austerity in train- the compartment was almost empty- that means save Rs 400/-- and lose Rs 40,000/- It is said One can fool some people for some time, all People for Some time, but not forever.

Read the Comparison below.

VIP security and common man
Americans, it seems, do not care two hoots for celebrities. Especially at airports. If somebody has to be frisked, he is frisked. We learn that sometime in the past, the late Edward Kennedy was frisked; so was another celebrity, Al Gore. Neither complained. Obviously, VIP culture doesn't exist in America. Even Barack Obama reportedly was subjected to security checks at airports when he was a presidential candidate. So why all that fuss when Shah Rukh Khan was detained for two hours at New York Airport and questioned endlessly?

Frisking is one thing; detaining for two hours is something else. But our liberal press has been full of praise for the American security people for doing their job. After all, they were merely doing their job, weren't they? So what is so great about Shah Rukh Khan getting a common-and necessary-treatment? According to Deccan Herald (August 18), "The fuss in India is a sign of our excessive VIP fixation and poor security consciousness." US immigration officials "were doing their duty and should have been complimented for their professional attitude". Said Deccan Herald: "Our security is lax because there is no respect for regulations, and VIPs are above the law. The bloated egos of many VIPs cannot stand a few questions by a lowly official who is only doing his duty... . It is a feudal mindset...we have not yet imbibed the democratic idea that all are equal before the law... . The truth is that his (SRK's) ego was hurt because his 'status' was not recognised."

The Indian Express (August 17) said that "America must take the Shah Rukh Khan outrage seriously" because "it impacts the domestic politics of friendly nations and it is rapidly reaching the point at which it affects a large section of the Indian middle class thinks of America". It said: "People are all-too-willing to believe that a great liberal nation has betrayed its principles egregiously by 'harassing' Khan. It is a short step from there to a festering belief-erroneously-that this is the act of an arrogant, racist society." And, for good measure, it added: "America's authorities at highest level need to recognise that this apparently minor problem could have very major implications indeed."

The Free Press Journal (August 18) thought that all that fuss over Khan was "needless". "We do not see," it said, "why the actor should have got hot under the collar for what is a routine security drill at most points of entry into the US". It added: "Khan would not have reacted the way he did had he not become a victim of the hype around him back home. But the Americans are not vulnerable to the nauseating VIP culture... How we wish our authorities from the police to the airport security too could treat everyone as an equal as demanded by law."

The Times of India (August 18) following the line taken by almost all newspapers asked: "If we treat our film stars and sportspersons-especially cricketers-like they were demigods, can you really blame them for expecting preferential treatment? The VIP culture in vogue here allows some people to believe they are somehow different from the rest of us... This is simply not acceptable in a democratic republic." And it added: "The US is well within its rights to lay down the law on its soil...this incident should lead us to examine the inadequacies of our own system-on the security front, and our social attitudes. A rule-bound system such as the US's may have its excesses, but one that allows too many exceptions, such as in India, can give rise to greater problems."

And now, on a more delicate subject: the controversy raised by the publication of Jaswant Singh's book on Jinnah. On August 21, The Hindu re-published the editorial it had written two days after the death of the founder of Pakistan (September 13, 1948). Probably, it must be one of the longest editorials the paper had written in its long history. The paper gave him due credit for his earlier days as a staunch adherent to Hindu-Muslim unity, and for keeping away from the Muslim League. But it also noted that he was "a man of ambition who had a high opinion of his own abilities" and how it irked him "to play second fiddle", which accounted for his casting about "for materials wherewith to build a separate platform for himself"! That is subtly put! The paper said that Jinnah came to see how a backward community like the Muslims "could be roused to action", to the "point of crudeness" by playing on their faith" and how he learnt from Hitler and Mussolini to perfect "a technique of propaganda and mass instigation to which atrocity mongering was central". And it added: "And the megalomania which unfortunately he came to develop hardly would allow him to admit that he was wrong."

The Hitavada (August 21) discussing Singh's book said: "It is difficult for any average Indian to accept that the late Mohammad Ali Jinnah was a great nationalist leader who has been 'demonised' in India." It added: "The efforts to show Shri Jinnah in good light and show Indian leaders in a bad light in comparison just do not go well with the Indian people." The Free Press Journal (August 20) had no qualms in criticising Jaswant Singh. For one thing, the paper said that "BJP is no Congress for it to ape the imperious ways of the latter's leadership" and added that "having said that we must say that Singh called for his expulsion". "You do not publicly reject the core belief-system of your party and then expect to be part of its top decision-making bodies.... Singh invited the extreme disciplinary action from the BJP for clubbing Sardar Patel with Nehru and for endorsing the charge that Muslims were treated as second-class citizens," said the paper.

K Subramanya, writing in Deccan Herald (August 28) pointed out that in India "politicians have seldom written history (and ) when they write...it is doubtful if somebody who dwells on contemporary history with any degree of honesty can at be same time also remain a successful politician".


A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history"

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Monday, September 14, 2009



Fwd: Good idea for lost Cell phone: how these are traced within 24 hrs :

satish gupta Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:49 PM
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Thank U Bhai shri Rajkumarji Sehgal & Namastey !

I am fwding yr fwded mail to my children & to a few of my contacts .

Warmest regards,
S C Gupta.

Sent: Thursday, 10 September, 2009 1:28:46 PM
Subject: Fwd: Good idea for lost Cell phone

Passing on for info


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Sunday, September 13, 2009



Fw: Facts about YSR reddy

Mohan Gupta Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 2:05 PM
To: "@hull.ac.uk"
Facts about YSR reddy:
From: "hilda raja"

Mrs. Sonia Gandhi has lost one who was faithful to implement her hidden agenda. Temples destroyed and churches constructed - equality permanently defaced from AP only the Muslims and the Christians mattered. Like Mother Theresa this man also given a halo round his head because he was corrupt- his was communal and he was downright biased. This according to the present vocabulary of Mrs. Sonia Gandhi and the Congress stands for Secularism. It is people like us who are fools have not updated and decoded. Anil Kumar his son-in-law blatantly violated the code of conduct when his prayer meetings were made into political propaganda meets. It is political decency for Advani and Chandrbabu Naidu to condole because the emotional loaded people of AP have to be approached for votes. Today who is a Christian and who is a Hindu is very difficult to discern. Hindu names but Christians in following- Christians names but Hindu in following. Is India topsy turvey? The point these deceivers must note is to which god's feet will they arrive when dead? Look at the nation all in a huddle because this man could lead the people to the 'fold' and also to the Congress party. Hats all that matter-what is right and wrong has gone in flames- Hilda Raja


Facts about YSR reddy:
From: Sudhir Srinivasan
1. At the onset of his regime in Andra Pradesh the Christian population was only 1. 5 %. Now after 5 years it is 10 - 12 %.
2. He snached the revenues of 30, 000 temples of Andra and distributed them to Churches and Mosques.
3. He snached 5 hills of Tirupati Tirumalla and allowed construction of Churches there. He alloted the contract of supplying Prasadam to a Christian firm owned by his own relative.
4. YSR Reddy provided money to the Christian Pilgrims to Bethelhem
5. He made provision to sanction 80, 000 to one who repairs a Church and 150,000 to onje who constructs a new Church. As a result the number of the churches in Andra rose from a few hubndreds to 148,000 in number during his regime.
6. He snached maximum lands of the temples and Muths of Andra and distributed them to the missionaries and Mosques.
7. YSR Reddy made provisions for the new converts to Christianity
8. He openly declared that he was a Christian and he wanted a Bible state in Andra.
9. He passed a resolution in the Assembly which advocated to give reservations to the Dalit Christians. This was supported by all the political partieas except BJP.
10. Ysr Reddy userped in thousands acers of forest lands in his and his relatives' name.

Sudhir Srinivasan


From: viji123@yahoo.com
YSR's principal sec. Dr P Subramanyam, also a Christian
Subramanyam religion as below indicates is a Christian. So is the chief security officer ASC Wesley. So 2 out of 4 of members in the illfated helicoper were Christians. Including YSR 60% of the entourage were Christians. Not bad for a community comprising only 3-4% in Andhra benefiting from 85% Hindus shows how badly Hindus are being marginalized there especially in the power structure.
Yet foolish Hindu MLAs are fighting for his son as the next Chief Minister.
Subramanyam buried


Andhra's former Christist CM - Y Samuel Rajashekhara Reddy


By S V Badri

Religious money

Give me an honest answer. You visit Bhagawan Tirupati Venkateshwara�s Mandir (Balaji Mandir) or any Mandir in Andhra Pradesh .You have the devotion to make a monetary offering into the Hundi. You feel it is your private equation with the Bhagawan. You fulfill your Prarthana as you make a humble drop into to the Hundi. Some of you have saved this money painfully over years and in several cases enduring pangs of hunger to make this offering. That is the extent of your devotion.

Secular money

Are you aware that till the last nano-second that the money or the offering was in your hands, it was �religious money� because your Bhakti veils your eyes as you think that this money that is offered will be sacredly used by the A P Government for Hindu religious purposes like maintenance of the Mandir, its development and for propagation of Hindu religious causes, payment of salaries of Archakas or for the regular conduct of Pujas and rituals as per the Aagamas and Sastras. You assume this is what the AP Government is doing with your offering, because this is a Hindu Mandir and you are a devout Hindu offering the money out of total surrender to the Bhagawan. You are painfully ignorant what happens to this money once it gets into the Hundi. You just assume that it is being used for a Hindu cause. Perhaps you are one of those who just does not care because your job is done and it is up to the Mandirs to use it as they deemed fit. Yes Mandirs will use it as they deem fit if they are out of Government control. So if you think that your money is used only for Hindu purposes, banish the thought.

Because, the moment the money slips into the Hundi, the Government �converts� it into �secular money�.

How can you explain why Mandir funds alone should be the target of the Government to draw as they please for other than Hindu religious purposes?

Money down the drain

Take for instance, the recent decision of the Government and the Government sponsored TTD Board to spend the Bhakta�s �religious money� for �secular� purpose of constructing the underground drainage.

Tell me if it is the duty of the Government to provide the drainage or the duty of the Mandir? So your money finds its way down the drain.

Or its diversion to the Veterinary College development, not connected to the religious institution? Whose responsibility is this, the Government�s or the Mandir�s?

Will Lalu give Railway lands for mandir constructions?

The AP Government through the TUDA (Tirupati Urban Development Authority) demanded from the TTD a sum of Rs 6 crores towards property and other taxes so it could have the money required to construct an Idgah Maidan on the Railway lands abetting the Bhagawan�s lands. Obviously, because it is Idgah Maidan, secular Lalu did not object. And the secularists rushed to facilitate its completion. What if a Hindu wanted to construct a Mandir on the Railway lands? Will the same secularists come forward with such glee? Remember, Lalu ordered removal of Mandirs on Railway lands?

Christist YSR unhappy with his Endowment Minister

I am told that the money was stopped in the last minute after strong protests and the intervention of the Endowment Minister, M Satyanarayana, who as I understand, is fighting a losing battle against the Christist YSR. Well-placed sources indicate that this minister is likely to lose his berth unless he �converts� himself from being a good Hindu to being an �adorable-secularist� as the Christist YSR wants him to be. Meaning, YSR does not want the Minister to raise objections to the usage of Mandir funds for Monotheistic religious purposes. Knowledgeable circles in AP confided with me that the Christist YSR takes joy in making the officials of the Endowment Department to over-rule the Minister and to ridicule him at every opportunity. People who were present during the �Ugadi Puraskarams� functions this year are witness to how the Endowment Minister was humiliated and made most uncomfortable by the Christist YSR. In Bhadrachalam, 12 acres of lands belonging to the Sri Rama Mandiram was given away to a Christist organisation (apparently for the construction of a school there), who ended up constructing a church for converting the local tribals. The Minister was apparently unhappy with this and was denied the protocol honours during his recent visit for Sri RamaNavami celebrations.

Money for Idgah maidan- Yes; Money for Mandir renovation - No

YSR found Rs 6 crores for the construction of the Idgah Maidan in the Holy Town of Tirupati. But can find no money when 10,000 Mandirs languish for funds in the very backward areas of his State. He will not give them Mandirs. As a true Christist he wants them to remain a fertile ground for the breed of new phoren evangelicals to arrive and harvest.

Plant a church. Plant 50. Plant 100. Plant a1000.......

YSR�s folks in the Adventists will give them churches instead. Plant a church. Plant hundred. Plant a thousand. After all, did he not ask the Adventists to make a church on his farm land for the benefit of 300 converts? How can a Hindu trust this man who is more evangelical in his mission than the Pope Benedict XVII ? And the worst, he does it masquerading as a Hindu. Many would not even know that he is a convert/born again Christist.

Render the ground fertile. So the phirangis come to harvest.

With Mandirs and Mandir activity rendered systematically extinct in backward areas, it is no wonder that our Dalit and backward Hindu brethren find themselves spiritually bankrupt. Because Christists like YSR want them to be spiritually bankrupt so the missionaries can come and take over their souls with their brand of hatred of Hindu practices and Gods, disguised as love and social service. YSR is silently making room for the imported evangelicals to usurp the Dalits and the backwards so they can bear the cross for the rest of their lives. And he can bank on their votes at the call of a Samuel. Shame.

Are Hindus incompetent to run their institutional affairs?

The recent decision to facilitate Christian infiltration into the TTD affairs through the Ugranam material deal with the firm owned by a Syrian Christian of Kerala and the tele-medical facility deal he inaugurated, between SVIMS (Sri Venkateswara Institute of Medical Sciences) and the Christist institutions like the Frontline / Madras Medical Mission combo of Dr.Cherian should also make the secularists proud. Because for the likes of Christist YSR, Mandirs are for mad people while the creative ones rush to the church. How can Hindus expect him to be sensitive to their issues? Tomorrow, he will have Christian auditors, Christian administrators or even Christian parishioners doing Yesu Sahasranama to Bhagawan Venkateshwara. Who knows what my grand child has to witness in this sacred Mandir years from now?

Mandir money for �secular sexual� use

A P Government had recently decided to construct guesthouses and rest rooms on various highways using the TTD money. Bhagawan�s money will be put to some �secular sexual use� to create rendezvous for the benefit of some unscrupulous ministers and bureaucrats to sleep with the concubines.

Where is Hindu religious cause here? Why should one permit the TTD to become the Government appointed nodal agency to appease minorities or to undertake projects other than the Hindu Dharmic ones?

Page 3 Chairman and the Christist broker

Both The flamboyant Page 3 personality and TTD Chairman, T Subbirami Reddy (Cong-I) and the Christist YSR Government owe an explanation to the Bhaktas of Bhagawan Venkateshwara for betraying our trust. Join me in my prayers to the Kaliyuga Nayaka, Sri Venkateshwara (Bhagawan Balaji) to render the most severe punishment on each one of these starting from Christist YSR down to the last peon who is involved in this systematic assault, rape, plunder and loot of His Mandir and its possessions.

Lessons from Christist YSR Government on How to ruin a prosperous Mandir:

Let us now examine the orderly way the Christist YSR government acts to make all our Hindu Mandirs go bankrupt. Before one starts reading this, it should be stored in our minds that the Government has taken over the Hindu Mandirs as a Trustee. It has no right of ownership. And you will come to the conclusion that this A P Government is worse than the British when it comes to inflicting damage on our Hindu institutions and the Hindus as a whole.

There are 370,000 acres of Mandir lands in AP. Of this, the Endowment Department does not even have records of lands to the extent of 100,000 acres. Does this surprise you? The Hindu Religious Endowment Department is infiltrated by Christian administrators in the guise of Hindus.

So we have a trustee who does not even have proper accounting system. What should you do to him? What would you do if your accountant failed you? Trash him? Throw him out? And what are we doing to these trustees who have betrayed our trust.

A Ministry that does not have annual budgetary allocation

You might be surprised to learn that the AP Hindu Religious Endowment Department is the only department in AP which does not get a single Rupee as the Annual Budgetary allocation from the A P Government. So this Department has no Governmental source of funding. Then how does this department manage to run its blasting path of systematic destruction of our Mandirs? How does it manage the vast empire of unwanted elements in the garb of employees?

Simple. In addition to having all the Mandir resources at its control, it collects 15% of total revenues from larger Mandirs like the Tirupati Mandir and 12% from smaller Mandirs. In addition, it collects 3% uniformly from all the Mandirs towards what it has called as �common-good-fund�. Anything that starts with the word Common is just plain bullshit. You saw that in the Common Minimum Programme, too. Didn�t you? Now, the Government, in addition to dipping its hands into the Hundi collections can just can dip into this common-good -fund also for any activity of its choice �depending on if the CM was a Christist or a Muslim or a commie or an atheist or just an anti-national bloke who wants to cremate Hindu institutions and scatter its ashes across the Vatican or the Mecca like Mahmud Ghaznavi did of the Dwaraka�s Murti of Bhagawan Krishna.

Check the AP government Website and show me the Endowment Department there:

It might surprise you that the Endowment Department is not featured in the Official website of the Government of AP while even the Minority Welfare Department has a link presented in the website. So our Trustee is very secretive. Wants to hide from the public glare. And least credible because he shuns the public domain. What is it afraid of?

Known Christists � unknown Christists

Take a look at the number of known Christists who ruled the State since its formation:
1. Kasu Brahmananda Reddy
2. N. Janardhana Reddy
3. Y Samuel Rajashekhara Reddy

Add to these three Christians, sympathisers of the variety of Chandra Babu Naidu, whose regime saw the State-sponsored and facilitated upshoots of the towering statues of Mother Teresa competing with Ambedkar in every nook and corner of AP. There are also strong rumours doing rounds that Chandra Babu�s wife, Bhuvaneshwari (daughter of the Late NTR) practices Christianity secretly and is in touch with the Seventh Day Adventist missionary. Readers should also know that it is believed in certain circles that Chandrababu Naidu has interests in an abattoir with Saudi links that slaughters countless cows for export of beef. If this is true I am not amazed why he was the first to take the flight to meet Vajpayee and �strongly� demand the dropping of the very idea of a �Prevention of Cow Slaughter� Bill, when BJP was Hindu enough in its early days of governance.

Sanction for the repairs � Hindus get into debt trap

Days before Chandra Babu Naidu of TDP lost his elections, he sanctioned Rs. 75 Crores towards repairs and restoration of some Mandirs in AP. The Endowment Department had no funds. The Government undertook the work. And in many cases, the presiding deities were dragged out into the open under the pretext of renovation and left to fend for themselves against the vagaries of nature. In some Mandirs, local bhaktas formed groups to facilitate renovations. Such bills ran up to Rs. 48 crores. And the Government made just a token re-imbursement, thus putting various Hindu Bhaktas into a debt trap. The Government still owes this money.

Now, where does it decide to look for the money?

The Government has already started plundering the Tirupati Balaji�s wealth. Now, it wants to be seen as being fair to Him. It does not want people to perceive it as being selective in its destruction. So it tells the world that Tirupati Balaji was not willing to give money for these projects so they have to scout for another Mandir, to satiate their rapacious appetite for systematic destruction of Hindu institutions. I would like to call this as: The Secular chain reaction to the deliberate distribution of destruction.

Simhachalam Narasimha Swamy � A P Government�s new target of plunder:

The Government has now set its eyes on Simhachalam. On Simhadri Narasimha Swami. And His thousands of acres of lands. These lands are in the Vizag district of Andhra Pradesh. About 1500 to 2000 acres of these lands are under illegal occupation. In most cases, it is simply not traceable as to who sold these lands and to whom; the registration has long since been done, with the connivance of various ministers and officials. Thousands of houses and bungalows have come up on these illegally occupied lands. The current occupants claim that they have been in the �enjoyment� of these lands for the past 10 to 15 years and if the Government comes forward to �regularize� the land transaction and decide on the price, they are willing to pay. Now, even squatters make the rules.

Can you give an honest figure, YSR?

Will the Government dare reveal how many practitioners of other than Hindu faith who constitute this large number of illegal occupants? Or publish the number of churches / mosques that have come up on these Mandir lands? In 1842, in the whole of Madras presidency, the number of churches were 847 and of Roman Catholic denomination. A current estimate says that there are a million churches in the same region. Where did this growth and the money for such a growth come from? In just 100 plus years.

A new Committee is born in the barn. Some have seen stars and dollar signs

A few years ago a committee was formed for the express purpose of �regularizing� these illegal occupations of the lands belonging to Simhadri Narasimha Swami Mandir. The committee lied low, perhaps taking time to make its own deals by virtue of being given the opportunity to officially deal with the squatters. Now, the Christist YSR Government has formed a new Committee comprising of a few MLAs and officials to look into this matter of �regularizing� the land in favour of the illegal occupants. This committee is expected to submit its report shortly, highlighting its observations and recommendations. The price per Square Yard is under consideration. The lands where there are no constructions will be sold �as is where is�. They expect an inflow of Rs. 125 crores. Of this, Rs. 48 crores will be disbursed towards works already committed and in progress. The rest will be used for the requirements and running of the AP Endowment Department. This is as far as the 2000 acres of the Simhadri Mandir lands, now concluded as in illegal occupation by squatters, of whichever faith and denomination they belong to.

Government decides to sell Over 100,000 acres of Mandir lands in AP

In addition to the lands belonging to the Mandir of Simhachalam Sri Narasimha Swamy, the Endowment Department has decided to sell 100,000 acres of lands belonging to various Mandirs in AP and which are either under dispute or have been illegally occupied by all and sundry. The Government has decided that a committee comprising of all the MLAs will be constituted for this purpose. This committee is empowered to decide the price. There are 370,000 acres of Mandir lands under the control of the Endowment Department. Of this, the department has no records for Mandir lands to the extent of 100,000 acres. Of the rest of 270,000 acres, thousands of acres are under illegal occupation.

Who gives this Christist Government the right to sell the Mandir lands?

Why should the Hindu Samaj remain indifferent and inactive to such naked aggression and rape of our revered institutions by a Christist? The kings of yesteryears were the Trustees of our Mandirs in their time. They were only keen to add to the Mandir assets with each passing year. The current day kings, and the born-again Christist kings like YSR, seem to deem it their duty to the church as they systematically strip us to the last fibre and parade us as pagans.

Take a look hard look at few of these facts:

1. 10,000 Mandirs in AP alone are in the worst possible state. There is no money for lighting a single lamp each day. Nor is Nivedyam presented to the Presiding Deity each day. In many Mandirs there is no money to pay for the salaries of the staff and the Archakas. WILL THEY DO THIS TO THE CHURCH OWNED LANDS?

2. The church is the largest real-estate owner in the country, next only to the Government and no single Government dares to bring this under its control. Nor can it ever dream of using the church lands for social justice measures like giving it away to Dalits or the Naxals or to Hindu religion for constructing Mandirs or the much needed Hindu schools/ Patashalas. Informed sources say that the Naxal distribution of Mandir lands in AP is happening with the very blessings of the Christist YSR. After all when it comes to Hindus, the Government which is just a �trustee� will suddenly assume �ownership� of these lands while bartering it for vote-bank politics and for appeasement of minorities.

3. Let us assume that I form a Trust and do what the AP Government is doing today as a Trustee. I would be instantly prosecuted and hauled in for fraudulent activity, betrayal of trust and would be ordered to dismantle it, under the law of the land. It is evident that the AP Government seems to conclude that it is above the Trust laws. It can do what it pleases when it comes to destroying Hindu institutions. And the trust that the Hindu Bhaktas impose on it to take care of its Mandirs be damned.

Can you expect YSR to be sympathetic to Hindu causes?

How can you expect this Christist YSR to be sympathetic to Hindu causes, its institutions and the sentiments of its Bhaktas? It is a shame that the TTD should allow him into the Hindu Mandir of Tirupati without asking him to sign the mandatory declaration of his allegiance to the Bhagawan. Worse still, he is allowed to come alone and not escorted by his wife as a Grihasta should do, when he visits the Mandir to give the Vastram to the Bhagawan during the Brahmhotsavam. I am told that she is a devout Christian and does not want perhaps to put up an act like her husband, who is bound political and monetary compulsions to deceive poor Hindus. I may be wrong on this but I have not seen her with him during such visits to the Balaji Mandir.

Hindus should understand that this AP Government is headed by a rabid Christian who cohabits with the virulent Adventists, silently promoting baptisms by the thousands in his State.

From: Dr. Shiv Kumar Poojari
Subject: YS Rajashekhar Reddy
Well the seculars have started crying and so are the dummy Hindutva leaders in BJP and else where. After the death of a person he is pardoned of every sin he has done and his followers continue to do the same.
I hope someone amongst you close to Andhra politics will jot down the sins of YSR point by point for the people.
It has been defended by many of his colleagues in the congress that YSR had not converted to Christianity but now I am sure that his body will be burried with all Christian rites and his crusaders will continue marching towards total Rome raj.
Things have to improve or else Bhaarat as a whole is doomed. I want to see atleast one person who can give little light on why this person was so dear to Sonia and even USA government was anxious to find him out alive.....Why Why, Why?

A traitor to his motherland is dead!