TU JO NAHIN HAI TU KUCH BHI NAHIN HAI By Giln John

India Rising

AN EMPRESS IN INDIA - IN NEW CLOTHES

An empress of India in new clothes




John MacLithon


Like Sonia Gandhi, I am a Westerner and a brought-up Christian. Like Sonia Gandhi, I have lived in India many years and I have adopted this country as my own.But the comparison ends there. I did land in India with a certain amount of prejudices, clichés and false ideas, and I did think in the enthusiasm of my youth to become a missionary to bring back Indian ‘pagans’ to the ‘true god’. But the moment I stepped in India I felt that there was nothing much that I could give to India, rather it was India which was bestowing me. In fact in all my years here India has given me so much — professionally, spiritually, sentimentally. Most Westerners, who come here, still think they are here to ‘give’ something to a country, which, unconsciously of course, they think is lesser than theirs. It was true of the British, it was true of Mother Teresa, it is true of Sonia Gandhi.It is a fact that Sonia brought discipline, order and cohesion into the Indian National Congress. But the amount of power that she, a person of foreign origin, an elected MP like hundreds of others, possesses should frighten her. All the television channels report without a blink that Maharashtra CM rushes to Delhi to meet Sonia Gandhi to plead for his life. But should not Chavan have gone to the prime minister first?The CBI blatantly and shamelessly quashed all injunctions against Ottavio Quattrocchi and even allowed him to get away with billions of rupees which he had stolen from India. Yet, without batting an eyelid, and with the Indian media turning a blind eye, it goes ruthlessly after the chief minister of the most efficiently run state, the most corruption free. Today the Congress, with Sonia’s overt or silent consent, pays crores of rupees to buy MPs to topple non-Congress governments. Her governors shamelessly hijack democracy by twisting the law.Are Indians aware that their country has entered a state of semi-autocracy where every important decision comes from a single individual residing in her fortress of 10 Janpath surrounded by dozens of security men, an empress of India? Do they know that the huge amounts of the scams, whether the 2G, the CWG, or the Adarsh housing society scam, do not go into politicians’ pockets (only a fraction), but to the coffers of the Congress for the next general elections, and more than anything to please Sonia Gandhi? Nobody seems to notice what is happening under the reign of Sonia Gandhi.That an Arundhati Roy is allowed to preach secession in India, whereas on the other hand the Congress government has been going after the army, the last body in India to uphold the time-honoured values of the Kshatriyas — courage, honour, devotion to the Motherland. They alone today practise true secularism, never differentiating between a Muslim or Hindu soldier and who for a pittance daily give their lives to their country. First it was the attempt of a caste census, a divide-and-rule ploy if there is one; then there are the first signs that the government is thinking about thinning down the presence of the Indian army in the Kashmir valley, which will suit Pakistan perfectly. And now there is the Adarsh housing society scam in which the army officers, at the worst, were innocently dragged into it. We know now that it was the politicians of the Congress who benefited the most out of it.It would be impossible in France, for example, to have a non-Christian tell a Hindu (who is a non-elected president or PM) to be the absolute ruler of the country behind the scenes, superseding even the PM. There are many capable people in the Congress. Why can’t a billion Indians find one of their own, who will understand the complexity and subtlety of India, to govern themselves? Not only that, but her very presence at the top has unleashed forces, visible and invisible that are detrimental to the country. There is nothing wrong in espousing the best of the values of the West — democracy, technological perfection, higher standards of living — but many of the institutions are crumbling in the West: two out of three marriages end in divorce, kids shoot each other, parents are not cared for in their old age, depression is rampant and Westerners are actually looking for answers elsewhere, in India notably.One does not understand this craze to Westernise India at all costs, while discarding its ancient values. Sonia Gandhi should do well to remember that there still are 850 million Hindus in India, a billion worldwide and that whatever good inputs were brought by different invasions, it is the ancient values of spirituality behind Hinduism which have made India so special and which gives it today unique qualities making an Indian Christian different from an American Christian, or an Indian Muslim different from a Saudi Muslim. It is an insult to these tolerant Hindus to show United States President Barack Obama as his first input of the Indian capital the tomb of Humayun, a man who slaughtered Hindus in thousands, taking Hindu women and children as captives. He even subjected his elder brother Kamran to brutal torture, gauging his eyes out and pouring lemon into them.The tragedy of India is that it was colonised for too long. And unlike China, it always looks to the West for a solution to its problems. Sonia Gandhi, whatever her qualities, is just an incarnation of that hangover, an empress of India in new clothes.(The writer is the author of Hindutva, sex & adventures) E-mail: john.maclithon@gmail.com


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KNOW YOUR SONIA

"आप सोनिया गाँधी को कितना जानते हैं" की पहली कडी़, अंग्रेजी में इसके
मूल लेखक हैं एस.गुरुमूर्ति और यह लेख दिनांक १७ अप्रैल २००४ को "द न्यू
इंडियन एक्सप्रेस" में - अनमास्किंग सोनिया गाँधी- शीर्षक से प्रकाशित
हुआ था ।
। भारत की खुफ़िया एजेंसी "रॉ", जिसका गठन सन १९६८ में हुआ, ने विभिन्न
देशों की गुप्तचर एजेंसियों जैसे अमेरिका की सीआईए, रूस की केजीबी,
इसराईल की मोस्साद और फ़्रांस तथा जर्मनी में अपने पेशेगत संपर्क बढाये
और एक नेटवर्क खडा़ किया । इन खुफ़िया एजेंसियों के अपने-अपने सूत्र थे
और वे आतंकवाद, घुसपैठ और चीन के खतरे के बारे में सूचनायें आदान-प्रदान
करने में सक्षम थीं । लेकिन "रॉ" ने इटली की खुफ़िया एजेंसियों से इस
प्रकार का कोई सहयोग या गठजोड़ नहीं किया था, क्योंकि "रॉ" के वरिष्ठ
जासूसों का मानना था कि इटालियन खुफ़िया एजेंसियाँ भरोसे के काबिल नहीं
हैं और उनकी सूचनायें देने की क्षमता पर भी उन्हें संदेह था ।
सक्रिय राजनीति में राजीव गाँधी का प्रवेश हुआ १९८० में संजय की मौत के
बाद । "रॉ" की नियमित "ब्रीफ़िंग" में राजीव गाँधी भी भाग लेने लगे थे
("ब्रीफ़िंग" कहते हैं उस संक्षिप्त बैठक को जिसमें रॉ या सीबीआई या
पुलिस या कोई और सरकारी संस्था प्रधानमन्त्री या गृहमंत्री को अपनी
रिपोर्ट देती है), जबकि राजीव गाँधी सरकार में किसी पद पर नहीं थे, तब वे
सिर्फ़ काँग्रेस महासचिव थे । राजीव गाँधी चाहते थे कि अरुण नेहरू और
अरुण सिंह भी रॉ की इन बैठकों में शामिल हों । रॉ के कुछ वरिष्ठ
अधिकारियों ने दबी जुबान में इस बात का विरोध किया था चूँकि राजीव गाँधी
किसी अधिकृत पद पर नहीं थे, लेकिन इंदिरा गाँधी ने रॉ से उन्हें इसकी
अनुमति देने को कह दिया था, फ़िर भी रॉ ने इंदिरा जी को स्पष्ट कर दिया
था कि इन लोगों के नाम इस ब्रीफ़िंग के रिकॉर्ड में नहीं आएंगे । उन
बैठकों के दौरान राजीव गाँधी सतत रॉ पर दबाव डालते रहते कि वे इटालियन
खुफ़िया एजेंसियों से भी गठजोड़ करें, राजीव गाँधी ऐसा क्यों चाहते थे ?
या क्या वे इतने अनुभवी थे कि उन्हें इटालियन एजेंसियों के महत्व का पता
भी चल गया था ? ऐसा कुछ नहीं था, इसके पीछे एकमात्र कारण थी सोनिया गाँधी
। राजीव गाँधी ने सोनिया से सन १९६८ में विवाह किया था, और हालांकि रॉ
मानती थी कि इटली की एजेंसी से गठजोड़ सिवाय पैसे और समय की बर्बादी के
अलावा कुछ नहीं है, राजीव लगातार दबाव बनाये रहे । अन्ततः दस वर्षों से
भी अधिक समय के पश्चात रॉ ने इटली की खुफ़िया संस्था से गठजोड़ कर लिया ।
क्या आप जानते हैं कि रॉ और इटली के जासूसों की पहली आधिकारिक मीटिंग की
व्यवस्था किसने की ? जी हाँ, सोनिया गाँधी ने । सीधी सी बात यह है कि वह
इटली के जासूसों के निरन्तर सम्पर्क में थीं । एक मासूम गृहिणी, जो
राजनैतिक और प्रशासनिक मामलों से अलिप्त हो और उसके इटालियन खुफ़िया
एजेन्सियों के गहरे सम्बन्ध हों यह सोचने वाली बात है, वह भी तब जबकि
उन्होंने भारत की नागरिकता नहीं ली थी (वह उन्होंने बहुत बाद में ली) ।
प्रधानमंत्री के घर में रहते हुए, जबकि राजीव खुद सरकार में नहीं थे । हो
सकता है कि रॉ इसी कारण से इटली की खुफ़िया एजेंसी से गठजोड़ करने मे
कतरा रहा हो, क्योंकि ऐसे किसी भी सहयोग के बाद उन जासूसों की पहुँच
सिर्फ़ रॉ तक न रहकर प्रधानमंत्री कार्यालय तक हो सकती थी ।
जब पंजाब में आतंकवाद चरम पर था तब सुरक्षा अधिकारियों ने इंदिरा गाँधी
को बुलेटप्रूफ़ कार में चलने की सलाह दी, इंदिरा गाँधी ने अम्बेसेडर
कारों को बुलेटप्रूफ़ बनवाने के लिये कहा, उस वक्त भारत में बुलेटप्रूफ़
कारें नहीं बनती थीं इसलिये एक जर्मन कम्पनी को कारों को बुलेटप्रूफ़
बनाने का ठेका दिया गया । जानना चाहते हैं उस ठेके का बिचौलिया कौन था,
वाल्टर विंसी, सोनिया गाँधी की बहन अनुष्का का पति ! रॉ को हमेशा यह शक
था कि उसे इसमें कमीशन मिला था, लेकिन कमीशन से भी गंभीर बात यह थी कि
इतना महत्वपूर्ण सुरक्षा सम्बन्धी कार्य उसके मार्फ़त दिया गया । इटली का
प्रभाव सोनिया दिल्ली तक लाने में कामयाब रही थीं, जबकि इंदिरा गाँधी
जीवित थीं । दो साल बाद १९८६ में ये वही वाल्टर विंसी महाशय थे जिन्हें
एसपीजी को इटालियन सुरक्षा एजेंसियों द्वारा प्रशिक्षण दिये जाने का ठेका
मिला, और आश्चर्य की बात यह कि इस सौदे के लिये उन्होंने नगद भुगतान की
मांग की और वह सरकारी तौर पर किया भी गया । यह नगद भुगतान पहले एक रॉ
अधिकारी के हाथों जिनेवा (स्विटजरलैण्ड) पहुँचाया गया लेकिन वाल्टर विंसी
ने जिनेवा में पैसा लेने से मना कर दिया और रॉ के अधिकारी से कहा कि वह
ये पैसा मिलान (इटली) में चाहता है, विंसी ने उस अधिकारी को कहा कि वह
स्विस और इटली के कस्टम से उन्हें आराम से निकलवा देगा और यह "कैश" चेक
नहीं किया जायेगा । रॉ के उस अधिकारी ने उसकी बात नहीं मानी और अंततः वह
भुगतान इटली में भारतीय दूतावास के जरिये किया गया । इस नगद भुगतान के
बारे में तत्कालीन कैबिनेट सचिव बी.जी.देशमुख ने अपनी हालिया किताब में
उल्लेख किया है, हालांकि वह तथाकथित ट्रेनिंग घोर असफ़ल रही और सारा पैसा
लगभग व्यर्थ चला गया । इटली के जो सुरक्षा अधिकारी भारतीय एसपीजी कमांडो
को प्रशिक्षण देने आये थे उनका रवैया जवानों के प्रति बेहद रूखा था, एक
जवान को तो उस दौरान थप्पड़ भी मारा गया । रॉ अधिकारियों ने यह बात राजीव
गाँधी को बताई और कहा कि इस व्यवहार से सुरक्षा बलों के मनोबल पर विपरीत
प्रभाव पड़ रहा है और उनकी खुद की सुरक्षा व्यवस्था भी ऐसे में खतरे में
पड़ सकती है, घबराये हुए राजीव ने तत्काल वह ट्रेनिंग रुकवा दी,लेकिन वह
ट्रेनिंग का ठेका लेने वाले विंसी को तब तक भुगतान किया जा चुका था ।
राजीव गाँधी की हत्या के बाद तो सोनिया गाँधी पूरी तरह से इटालियन और
पश्चिमी सुरक्षा अधिकारियों पर भरोसा करने लगीं, खासकर उस वक्त जब राहुल
और प्रियंका यूरोप घूमने जाते थे । सन १९८५ में जब राजीव सपरिवार फ़्रांस
गये थे तब रॉ का एक अधिकारी जो फ़्रेंच बोलना जानता था, उनके साथ भेजा
गया था, ताकि फ़्रेंच सुरक्षा अधिकारियों से तालमेल बनाया जा सके । लियोन
(फ़्रांस) में उस वक्त एसपीजी अधिकारियों में हड़कम्प मच गया जब पता चला
कि राहुल और प्रियंका गुम हो गये हैं । भारतीय सुरक्षा अधिकारियों को
विंसी ने बताया कि चिंता की कोई बात नहीं है, दोनों बच्चे जोस वाल्डेमारो
के साथ हैं जो कि सोनिया की एक और बहन नादिया के पति हैं । विंसी ने
उन्हें यह भी कहा कि वे वाल्डेमारो के साथ स्पेन चले जायेंगे जहाँ
स्पेनिश अधिकारी उनकी सुरक्षा संभाल लेंगे । भारतीय सुरक्षा अधिकारी यह
जानकर अचंभित रह गये कि न केवल स्पेनिश बल्कि इटालियन सुरक्षा अधिकारी
उनके स्पेन जाने के कार्यक्रम के बारे में जानते थे । जाहिर है कि एक तो
सोनिया गाँधी तत्कालीन प्रधानमंत्री नरसिम्हा राव के अहसानों के तले दबना
नहीं चाहती थीं, और वे भारतीय सुरक्षा एजेंसियों पर विश्वास नहीं करती
थीं । इसका एक और सबूत इससे भी मिलता है कि एक बार सन १९८६ में जिनेवा
स्थित रॉ के अधिकारी को वहाँ के पुलिस कमिश्नर जैक कुन्जी़ ने बताया कि
जिनेवा से दो वीआईपी बच्चे इटली सुरक्षित पहुँच चुके हैं, खिसियाये हुए
रॉ अधिकारी को तो इस बारे में कुछ मालूम ही नहीं था । जिनेवा का पुलिस
कमिश्नर उस रॉ अधिकारी का मित्र था, लेकिन यह अलग से बताने की जरूरत नहीं
थी कि वे वीआईपी बच्चे कौन थे । वे कार से वाल्टर विंसी के साथ जिनेवा
आये थे और स्विस पुलिस तथा इटालियन अधिकारी निरन्तर सम्पर्क में थे जबकि
रॉ अधिकारी को सिरे से कोई सूचना ही नहीं थी, है ना हास्यास्पद लेकिन
चिंताजनक... उस स्विस पुलिस कमिश्नर ने ताना मारते हुए कहा कि "तुम्हारे
प्रधानमंत्री की पत्नी तुम पर विश्वास नहीं करती और उनके बच्चों की
सुरक्षा के लिये इटालियन एजेंसी से सहयोग करती है" । बुरी तरह से अपमानित
रॉ के अधिकारी ने अपने वरिष्ठ अधिकारियों से इसकी शिकायत की, लेकिन कुछ
नहीं हुआ । अंतरराष्ट्रीय खुफ़िया एजेंसियों के गुट में तेजी से यह बात
फ़ैल गई थी कि सोनिया गाँधी भारतीय अधिकारियों, भारतीय सुरक्षा और भारतीय
दूतावासों पर बिलकुल भरोसा नहीं करती हैं, और यह निश्चित ही भारत की छवि
खराब करने वाली बात थी । राजीव की हत्या के बाद तो उनके विदेश प्रवास के
बारे में विदेशी सुरक्षा एजेंसियाँ, एसपीजी से अधिक सूचनायें पा जाती थी
और भारतीय पुलिस और रॉ उनका मुँह देखते रहते थे । (ओट्टावियो क्वात्रोची
के बार-बार मक्खन की तरह हाथ से फ़िसल जाने का कारण समझ में आया ?) उनके
निजी सचिव विंसेंट जॉर्ज सीधे पश्चिमी सुरक्षा अधिकारियों के सम्पर्क में
रहते थे, रॉ अधिकारियों ने इसकी शिकायत नरसिम्हा राव से की थी, लेकिन
जैसी की उनकी आदत (?) थी वे मौन साध कर बैठ गये ।
संक्षेप में तात्पर्य यह कि, जब एक गृहिणी होते हुए भी वे गंभीर सुरक्षा
मामलों में अपने परिवार वालों को ठेका दिलवा सकती हैं, राजीव गाँधी और
इंदिरा गाँधी के जीवित रहते रॉ को इटालियन जासूसों से सहयोग करने को कह
सकती हैं, सत्ता में ना रहते हुए भी भारतीय सुरक्षा अधिकारियों पर
अविश्वास दिखा सकती हैं, तो अब जबकि सारी सत्ता और ताकत उनके हाथों मे
है, वे क्या-क्या कर सकती हैं, बल्कि क्या नहीं कर सकती । हालांकि "मैं
भारत की बहू हूँ" और "मेरे खून की अंतिम बूँद भी भारत के काम आयेगी" आदि
वे यदा-कदा बोलती रहती हैं, लेकिन यह असली सोनिया नहीं है । समूचा
पश्चिमी जगत, जो कि जरूरी नहीं कि भारत का मित्र ही हो, उनके बारे में सब
कुछ जानता है, लेकिन हम भारतीय लोग सोनिया के बारे में कितना जानते हैं ?

ARE WE ALL HINDUS NOW!

SHER AGRAWAL

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Vancouver Sun: Diwali festival a good time to ask: Are we all Hindus now?

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Mohan Gupta Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:40 PM
To: y2kprema@aol.com
Vancouver Sun: Diwali festival a good time to ask: Are we all Hindus now?
Diwali festival a good time to ask: Are we all Hindus now?

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Diwali+festival+good+time+Hindus/3774655/story.html

By Douglas Todd, Vancouver Sun November 4, 2010
'We are all Hindus now."
That was the headline of a noted essay that appeared in 2009 in Time magazine, and it's well worth reflecting on as Canadians of all backgrounds are increasingly drawn to the annual South Asian festival
of Diwali.
North Americans have not, we know, openly converted en masse to Hinduism -- even if Elizabeth Gilbert's book about exploring Indian mysticism, Eat, Pray, Love, has become a hugely popular movie, and the lead actress, Julia Roberts, declared this fall she is Hindu.
But it is remarkable how Hindu beliefs, metaphysics and practices have quietly and thoroughly become integrated into North American culture in the past couple of decades, almost as if by stealth. Or osmosis.
For instance, Canada, especially the West Coast, has witnessed the rise of hundreds, if not thousands, of yoga studios, meditation centres, vegetarian restaurants and Ayurvedic health spas, all of which could be said to have roots in Hinduism.
The key Hindu teaching about reincarnation, as well, is accepted now by 30 per cent of all Canadians, including 37 per cent of Canadian women, according to a recent Leger poll.
Hindu meditation philosophy has also gone mainstream through best-selling spiritual teachers like Deepak Chopra and Vancouver's Eckhart Tolle, the author of The Power of Now.
In addition, a Pew Forum poll found that two out of three Americans now reject the theologically conservative Christian teaching that there is only one way to heaven, or salvation.
Most North Americans, even while declaring themselves "Christian" or "Jewish" or "secular," are signing onto the long-held Hindu attitude there are many authentic roads to spiritual truth.
It can't be claimed that Diwali, the autumn "festival of lights" that officially kicks off Friday at temples, is the main vehicle by which Hindu ideas and practices are becoming assimilated across North America.
Still, Diwali's growing acceptance among non-South Asian Canadians, especially among schoolchildren in urban centres such as Toronto and Vancouver, may have contributed to the quiet trend.
As most Canadians know, Diwali is celebrated not only by Hindus, but in different ways by Sikhs and Jains of South Asian heritage.
One of the many reasons Hinduism tends to be overshadowed in B.C. is that the province has four times more Sikhs than Hindus. Yet, across Canada, there are slightly more Hindus (roughly 360,000) than Sikhs
(about 340,000).
Hinduism's unusually low profile in Canada is furthered by the fact Sikhs share many teachings with Hindus: Both promote reincarnation, karma, cremation and the belief that time is cyclical rather than
linear.
Both teach the soul is continually reborn in different bodies.
Yet, compared to Sikhism, Hinduism is a much older, much larger and much more geographically and philosophically diverse religion. Compared to Sikhism, Hinduism has had a much wider impact on the planet (including by indirectly giving birth to Buddhism).
What is the biggest reason most North Americans fail to recognize there is truth in the provocative statement: "We're all Hindus now"?
It's simple: The religion is often not given credit where it is due.
To put it another way, Hinduism is being plagiarized.

The co-founder of the Hindu American Foundation, Suhag Shukla, is among those miffed that many promoters of yoga, meditation, Ayurvedic health and Indian philosophy often go out of their way to avoid using
the word "Hindu."
Shukla charges that most North Americans stereotype Hinduism as being about "caste, cows and curry." As a result, he maintains everyone from Eckhart Tolle to fitness teachers routinely act as if things like yoga and reincarnation have next to nothing to do with Hinduism.
How exactly does this intellectual theft occur? Many North Americans who market or teach what are in essence Hindu beliefs or practices often call them something else, such as "ancient Indian," "Vedic," "yogic" or even "universal."
Shukla says none of these euphemistic labels for describing Hindu-based practices are exactly wrong, but they're still misleading.
"Without a nod to their Hindu origins, this de-linking disenfranchises admitted Hindus of recognition and appreciation for the breadth and depth of their faith," Shukla writes.
He has a point. It's time to give proper credit as South Asian Hindus continue to take a larger role in everyday Canadian life, as Diwali becomes mainstream in Metro Vancouver, as yoga and meditation become firmly established and as more North Americans begin to concur with the foundational teaching of Hinduism's Rig Veda:
"Truth is One, but the sages speak of it by many names."
dtodd@vancouversun.com Read Douglas Todd's blog at www.vancouversun.com/thesearch
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What is Hindu Advocacy? Find Out
Source: www.youtube.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ48dA-8Kss



USA, October 12, 2010 (press release): What exactly is advocacy? This concept, which is the very focus of the Hindu American Foundation’s efforts, is still a vague and airy-fairy notion for most in the Hindu American community. Yet, advocacy is absolutely vital if our community is to be heard and effectively represented in schools and colleges, newspapers and magazines, and state and federal governments.
To this end, HAF is excited to announce the release of its third short film, “Advocacy…Huh?” View it now and listen closely.
Why is important that we educate others about Hinduism? Why is vital to speak up about issues effecting the entire community? Who should we build strategic relationships with and why? Watch Advocacy…Huh? and find out!



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From: Poonam Abbi

Some people have created the website with the express purpose of insulting, humiliating & spreading lies about the Vedic religion. It is something to consider, why is it that all the religions of the world today are kind of "gheraoing" Sanatan Dharm & trying to show that it is false & deceptive. The opposing religions include those religious paths that are not even religions in the true sense. Sikhism & Buddhism are not even truly religions. If you look closely, Buddhism is based only on the observations & teachings of one man who ran away from the most important of all the human duties, Grahasth ashram. A person who does not follow his Karm, how can he be considered the creator of Dharm? Siddhharth's first duty was towards his wife, child, & kingdom. Taking Sanyas was the easy way out of the tough job of living a life. It is very easy to avoid temptation in a jungle where almost none exists. The true testing conditions are in the grahasth ashram...that is what Jagad Guru Shri Krishna repeated at every step in his discourse in Geeta.
As for Sikhism, there was none till Guru Gobind Singh Ji ascended the Guru Gaddi. Guru Nanak & all the Gurus who followed, were great social reformers who stripped the frills & fluff from the Sanatan Dharm rituals that had been installed by the various "higher socio-economic class" to keep the people away from the knowledge, & therefore under their own control. It would be wrong to say that ostentatious & lavish poojas & temples are a flaw of Sanatan Dharm...it is absolutely wrong & very British & Christian to label the social problems of a society as a flaw of the religion. As far as Guru Gobind Singh Ji, His Holiness was a warrior, a Kshatriya, & he only created the militant wing to protect his own people from the atrocities of the Muslims. He was Gobind Rai, & took on the name Singh only later. And he too only simplified the prayer methods, which are very much in keeping with the Bhakti movement, & the true premise of Sanatan Dharma that there need not be a middleman or a lot of show & pomposity of rituals in communing with God, any one can do it, if he so wants to. Prayers & religion is a very personal thing, & community prayers are only a way of people with similar (not identical) beliefs getting together to share spiritual thoughts with each other, not to discount the peaceful vibes of the large number of people praying collectively. None of the Gurus had any social or political aspirations for themselves or their children. And now, just like the Christians claiming to reap the benefits of Christ dying on the cross, the Sikhs want to use the sacrifices of the Gurus to their own selfish benefits & are going to the extreme of wrecking the very country & principles their Gurus laid down their lives to protect & ordered their followers to protect.
You may not agree with me, & ask me to show where some one has said all this, but if any one sits down & thinks seriously about these things, try to clear the lies & conceit & deceit used to cover the truth, you will be able to grasp the truth.
The "religions" &"modern day rationalists" need to discredit & destroy Sanatan Dharm or "Hinduism" as they call it, in order to make their own religions credible...they have no scientific or rational basis. & they need the Vedic knowledge for that. Once they succeed in discrediting the Vedas by calling them same as their Bible & Koran, they will succeed. & then they can take the science part & stamp it with their own name & document it for posterity that they (the invaders, thieves, & murderers from the west) brought the knowledge to the junglee Bhaaratiya people.
All this mass destruction of temples in India & mushrooming of crosses all over the face of India like pock marks will make sure that there is no evidence left of the local intelligence, & highly evolved intellect & psyche. The material wealth has already been looted.
And in less than 50 years the generation that has any affinity to India & Indian will die off. India will become a relic in the dusty side museums of the west..
Poonam

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Importance of words!

No one has heard any Hindu students from the Missionaries institutions ever converting to Christianity!
How come they are not impressed by such noble cause and acts?
We don't have to look far and wide for reasons of their interest in the young minds of such 'cream of the gullible Hindu Society'.
One narration may suffice for the cunning plan behind this sinister, long-drawn scheme.
In the words of Sri Golwalkar Guruji, the second Sarsanghchalak of the RSS: "Once, during my journey, I came across a foreign missionary, who was my co-traveler in the same train compartment. During comversation, I asked him, " One can understand you offering services to the poorer section of the society, in the name of Jesus.But what impels you to open educational institutions for higher strata of the Hindu society? You are able to convert not one of them!"The answer was an eye opener! "We may not be able to convert them, but, surely, we have succeeded in de-nationalising them! We can destroy their pride in Hindu Culture. We can create a feeling in them that they are not part of the society. They have nothing in common with the rest of the society. Even a small strip of cloth- a tie, round their necks is enough to wean them away. And that is our success"."
No truer words were ever spoken!

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From: srinandan@aol.com

Crimes Against India: and the Need to Protect its Ancient Vedic Tradition
1000 Years of Attacks Against Hinduism and What to do About It.
by Stephen Knapp
www.stephen-knapp.com

Review by David Frawley (Vamadeva Shastri)
www.vedanet.com
Hinduism remains the most attacked and under siege of all the major world religions. This is in spite of the fact that Hinduism is the most tolerant, pluralistic and synthetic of the world's major religions. Hindu gurus have more than any other religious teachers in the world tried to find an underlying unity of religion to create peace in humanity. Yet though Hindu gurus have called for respect for all religions, leaders of other religions have not responded in kind by offering any respect for Hinduism. Instead they have continued to promote their missionary agendas and plan the conversion of India to their beliefs.
Why is Hinduism still so much a target of missionaries and the media? It is really very simple. Hinduism is the largest of the non-conversion, non-proselytizing religions and so offers the greatest possibilities for conversion. It is the vulnerability of Hinduism that makes it a target, not the fact that Hindus are trying to convert or conquer the world for some hostile belief.
After Christianity and Islam, Hinduism is the world's largest religion and the largest of the non-Biblical traditions. India, where most Hindus reside, has the most open laws allowing in foreign religious groups. While missionaries are virtually banned in China and in Islamic countries, in India they are often tolerated, respected and given a wide scope of activity. Since Christianity is in decline, particularly in Europe, it has a need to find new converts for which India is one of main potential locations, particularly as a comparatively high percentage of Hindu converts are willing to become priests and nuns. Pope John Paul II in a trip to India some ten years ago spoke directly of looking for a "rich harvest of souls in the third millennium in Asia", specifically India.
Yet most Hindus and groups sympathetic to them are not aware of this "siege on Hinduism" that continues unrelenting as part of the multi-national missionary business. In this context, the book of Stephen Knapp, Crimes Against India: and the Need to Protect its Ancient Vedic Tradition, is very timely, well written and well documented. The siege on Hinduism has been going on since the first Islamic armies and Christian missionaries entered India as he clearly delineates and has continued in various forms, violent, subversive or even charitably based.
While people know the history of the genocide of the Jews by the Nazis, the greater and longer genocide of Hindus by Islamic invaders is hardly noticed. Even the genocide in the Bangladesh War of 1971, in which most of the several million killed were Hindus, is not acknowledged as a religious genocide. While people know the history of the Inquisition and the burning of witches in Europe and the genocide of Native Americans by Christian invaders, they don't realize that India has a similar history in parts of the country like Goa. Knapp fills in these gaps and makes these connections.
More importantly, people don't realize that questionable conversion tactics are still being used in India today, where in the South, the rate offered for conversion is around twenty thousand rupees, going up and down with the economy! They also don't realize that it is now American Evangelicals of the Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson line -- the religious right that brought George Bush to power -- that is spearheading conversion activity and church building in South India, pouring billions into the country.
Yet Knapp's book is not just written to make us aware of this assault on Hinduism and its many dangers. He also provides a way forward, showing how Hindu Dharma can be revived, better taught, better communicated and more widely shared with the global audience, which is becoming progressively more receptive to Hindu teachings of Yoga, Vedanta and respect for nature. He documents the Hindu renaissance and the modern Hindu movement, which though small is growing rapidly as a Hindu response to this denigration of its venerable traditions. He shows that Hindus are not responding in terms of becoming another intolerant, exclusivist missionary cult. They are organizing themselves in terms of teaching, service and spiritual practices.
The book is well worth reading and will show any open minded person the Hindu side of a millennial debate on religion that has so far largely excluded the Hindu point of view. That Knapp is a western born Hindu adds to his credibility and conviction. He is not simply defending a tradition handed down by his family or his culture, but one that he has embraced from deep spiritual conviction and profound inner experience.
One hopes that readers in India will listen to his voice and that those outside of the country will recognize the Hindu plight along with the other forms of oppression going on in the world. Religious minorities at a global level are still under the assault of religious majorities, which have long been armed with petrodollars, high technology and control of the media. Yet as the book demonstrates, the tide is beginning to turn.

Crimes Against India: and The Need to Protect its Ancient Vedic Traditions
Available from iUniverse.com: http://www.iuniverse.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000115147.
Or Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/Crimes-Against-India-Tradition-Hinduism/dp/1440111588/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1232214548&sr=1-2
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THE KAFIRS

SHER AGRAWAL

HOPEFULLY, THERE ARE 84LAKH YONI AND A LAW OF KARMA RETRIBUTION FOR ALL OF US:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[proudHindu] LIGHT (DIWALI) IN BHARAT, BOMB BLAST IN PAKISTAN

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Rashtra1947@aol.com Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:37 AM
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"THE BLANKET (ISLAM) WON'T LET GO OF ME. I CAN'T GET RID OF ISLAM!





The noble KAFIR who was born in what is now Pakistan cannot detach himself from the soil where he grew up and from where he was separated by brutal force. His reflections on those he had to say, "good bye" to, are embedded deep in his thoughts and writings. He feels anger over the treachery and brutality of attack by Muslim fellow citizens but at the same time pity for the people there whose ancestors had Islam thrust on them after India was enslaved by Muslims.



He compares the freedoms of thought and action and women's status in India with the violence and frustrations in Pakistan. What is the way to sanity for the Pakistanis? It makes him sad to see them trapped in the Islamic cage for ever. Can they liberate themselves?



Nations struggle to free themselves from POLITICAL bondage but they do not struggle to cast off the chains of Islamic slavery. ISLAM will NOT let go of them even if they felt disgust in it.



We all know the story of the drowning man who saw a black blanket afloat on water. He grabbed it to save his life. It turned out to be a bear.



INDIAN MUSLIMS saw ISLAM from Arabia as their saviour and attacked their own land of birth, Hindusthan, to take out PAKISTAN. But it turned out to be a KILLER MACHINE.



WHO IS KEEPING A TALLY OF THE MUSLIMS (yes, MUSLIMS) KILLED, MASSACRED, ABDUCTED, BEHEADED. MAIMED OR RAPED BY FELLOW MUSLIMS (yes, MUSLIMS) IN THE MOHAMMED'S VERY OWN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN?





Today, Friday, 5 November 2010, a suicide bomber, A VERY "GOOD" MUSLIM who wants democracy to be introduced in Islamabad and

MECCA, killed 50 (FIFTY) and wounded 100 in a packed mosque in North West Pakistan. Among the DEAD and the MAIMED was not one Kafir and not one female. Kafirs and females have lucky escape from all these deadly blasts in mosques.



"MAY ALLAH GIVE YOU MORE ISLAM, MORE ISLAM AND EVEN MORE ISLAM TILL YOU ALL DIE.



"Upon you and your MECCA and MEDINA in Saudi Arabia, and KARBALA in Irak, there are the CURSES OF MILLIONS upon millions of innocent KAFIRS killed or displaced from their own homes in PAKISTAN in 1947."



Cowardly Hindusthan under the BOOT OF "ITALY & ISLAM" may not dare to remember but the VICTIMS cannot forget the "BEASTS IN ISLAMIC FORM" so long as they live.



In the neighboring States of GUJARAT, RAJASTHAN and EAST PUNJAB that did not go under the ISLAMIC sledge hammer there is freedom and peace.



Mandirs and gurdwaras are full of singing congregations including women and children.



"YOU CURSED PAKISTANIS (former INDIANS), YOU CANNOT JOIN THEM UNLESS YOUR EYES OPEN."



Kuru


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PEOPLE WITHOUT CONSCIENCE, DEEPAK CHOPRA

Suseelanji,

Namaskar. Chopra is trying to get himself famous and get laurels by criticizing Hindus and turning a blind eye to the basic fault of Moslem religion which is inherent in it and due to which so much terrorism is going on in the world as their aim remains to expand, destroy all other religions and gain world domination which is quite likely to happen in the not too distant future if things continue in the way they are nowadays worldwide. Chopra is not the first HIndu, who got all his training, education and fundamentals from Hinduism and is situated where he is due to Hinduism but he has no regard for the Hindu religion just like Gandhi and some others who did the same and became famous and acceptable to Islamis and others by turning a blind eye to the faults of Islam and by ignoring the atrocities on Hindus and others by Islam, etc. Because if he did look at things impartially perhaps he would be on the FATWA list of the Moslems to be punished., But by critizing Hindus he gets no punishment as Hindus are very docile and compacent. If all other religions had the same basic philosophy or disrespect for other religions like Islam has, there would be no world left any more by now!

Please be so kind as to forward these comments to Mr. Chopra. Thanks.

Jai Shri Sitaramjiki, Jai Shri Radhakrishnjiki, Jai veer Hanuman

Bhavdiy,

AGRASEN,
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DEEPAK CHOPRA'S DELUSION








In his interview with CNN on November 26 (Larry King Live), Deepak Chopra presented his naïve view that "real" Muslims would never carry out terrorism in the name of "Allah." Deepak Chopra is, I think, entirely wrong when he attempts to expose the "root cause" of Jihadi terrorism. The discombobulating force of his views is compounded by the inaccuracy of his false arguments. It is absurd that Deepak Chopra's ire is primarily directed against Hindus, the main targeted victims in the most recent Mumbai terrorism. Is such topsyturvy blame game necessary? In his interview, Chopra was condescending towards the Hindus, the victims of Jihadi terrorism. He misses something rather important in his blanket accusation of Hindus. In his delusion, Deepak Chopra forgot the fact: If Muslims were more pluralistic, accepting, tolerant, and nurturing like Hindus, terrorism might indeed have been a thing of the past or would never have taken birth.
Chopra's delusional thinking that Muslims will never carry out terrorism in the name of Allah simply flounders on the cruel facts of present and historically recorded reality. Chopra is simply in total denial about the dark side of Islam, and hence he is a less than credible commentator on Islamic fundamentalism. He has a fervent, unquestioning faith in Islamic fascism, which he refuses to subject to critical examination.
Suppose, for a moment, Chopra's delusional dream was to come true and Islamic fascists, in the name of establishing global peace, were to dominate the world, would that end Jihadi terrorism? Certainly not. Chopra has totally ignored the fact that Jihadi terrorists can and have inflicted terroristic violence on other Muslims as evidenced in the recent political history of Pakistan. There is no evidence that Chopra has shown any interests in preserving, protecting and promoting peace, freedom, tolerance and coexistence among mutually distrusting world communities. His assertions of how educated moderate Muslims function in democratic societies cast serious doubt on his arguments that their commitment to peace is to be taken for granted when they promote Islam as a religion of peace. It is well established that prejudice, discrimination, and murderous hostility against non-believers are shaped by age-old Islamic education. Gross simplifications about Islam, its brutal past, exclusion of Jihadi violence and terrorism from the history of Islam will simply misguide the ill informed gullible public. It will simply misdirect and confound those seeking pragmatic solution for Islamic terrorism.
The question of the future role of Islam in democratic nations, and even in China, is far too important and complex to leave it only to the Islamic fanatics or to their cohorts. There is a real need to deal with the ultimate cause of global Jihadi terrorism: "Islam and its reliance on scripturally justified and rewardable violence against the non-believers. "
Chopra's pro-Jihadi arguments reveal his fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of Islam and Islamic terrorism. His highly selective discussion of Hinduism in particular is peppered with outrage and indignation which many of the Islamo- fascists will probably share and be delighted to quote with glee. Of course, most Hindus find many parts of his discussion puzzling, perhaps appalling. Chopra seems to think that criticizing Hindus more loudly, while ignoring and condoning Jihadi terrorists will persuade Muslims to be more tolerant and, of course, appease them. Sadly, Chopra is wrong in his assumptions. For the gullible and credulous, it is the confidence with which something is said that persuades them rather than the logic and evidence offered in its support. Yet, the fact that Chopra relies so extensively on rhetoric rather than the evidence that would otherwise be his natural stock in his "medical trade" clearly indicates that something is wrong with his arguments. He needs to take "Logic 101" course in a junior college to understand the meaning of the word "fallacy."
Chopra, and other paid or corrupted Islamic agents outside the fold of Islam will never address these basic questions: How come Jihadi terrorism continues in India for more than a millennium? Why Hindus and Jews are targeted for Jihadi slaughter for more than a millennium? Who were the Jihadi terrorists' accomplices? Who manufactures and supplies the high-tech arms and devices that they carry and who finances them? How could Jihadis commit such heinous crime? Who are their inside informers and guides and who provides them with the maps and transportation besides "google"? Who harbors them, trains them, and provides them the safe haven? What could have been done by the educated moderate responsible conscientious Muslims themselves since or before 9/11 to prevent such barbaric Islamic terrorism? Could such brutal Islamic terrorism happen again in India? What can such Jihadi terrorism tell us about the type of Islam that they, the terrorists, believe in? What is the role and responsibility of the Indian politicians, intellectuals, and the media to maintain a balance and objectivity in the present climate without instigating more discontent and adding fuel to fire, in any conflict, like some other media are systematically doing outside India? How come the Pakistani flags went up in some neighborhoods of Mumbai during the 60 hours of terrorists' rampage? Where do these unpatriotic people in India draw their strength from to get by with such treason? Where are the gunmen that now cannot be accounted for, hiding? Who hides them and where do they disappear and how? Which countries do they communicate with on their cell phones? Are their leaders outside Pakistan and may be strung out as far as even on the East or West Coast of Africa? Do they have a globally spread out network in addition to cells all over the world, including India? Is the forensic evidence securely guarded by the Indian government once the terrorists and their equipment is captured from the crime scene, or does it fall into the hands of unscrupulous people and what kind? How is it that explosives are found days after the attack on the crime scene? Who are the insider helpers of the terrorists?
In seeking resolution to find an answer to Jihadi terrorism, it seems necessary for concerned citizens to collect as much realistic information as possible from such diverse fields of knowledge as philosophy, religious literature, forensics, sociology, economics, history, cultural geography, psychology, government, intelligence agencies, banking industry, etc., that has bearing on the subject from different sections of the world population including honest and sincere educated Muslims who are more loyal to their country than to Jihadi Islam, of course, after ensuring their security clearance. This will enable the public to link together historic information to a coherent foundation for answering the question "How Islamic terrorism could continue in India? And, how one could put a stop to it? Is there a true pragmatic peaceful solution to put an end to this evil? Or, is there a need to have a strategy to deal firmly with terrorism sooner than later?

Let us skip the rhetoric of bogus intellectuals like Chopra and cut to the reality slicing through his romantic fallacies. It is much less simple than Chopra's psychobabble –but it might actually help us address the real issues of Jihadi terrorism we face every day. Chopra's failure to distinguish between the closed, rigid, non compromising, imperialistic war mongering, divisive, and intolerant Islamic paradigm in contrast to the tolerant, all inclusive, systemic, pluralistic and open-ended, open-minded Vedic paradigm makes it difficult for him to understand one of the most dangerous pressing problems of today: Jihadi terrorism. This problem, if not resolved, may lead to more destruction than water-shortage, global warming, AIDS, "surgical wars," Bird Flue, or other epidemics as well as other major threats to life perceived by the world population.

People like Chopra who suffer from "Hyper Compulsive Secular Disorder" ("HCSD") suffer from denial, cognitive disorder and delusional thinking. They call Hindus "communalists. " The reality is that the intolerant, imposing, aggressive, imperialism of mostly cohesive Islamic world population covertly and sometimes openly condoning and pampering Jihadi terrorists even when convicted of crime is indicative of a viciously stronger "communal" instinct among the Islamists compared to one ever manifested among the divided multifaceted fragmented Hindus. Another interesting phenomenon to watch among the Islamists is their propensity to organize themselves to promptly scream that they are the victims and distort the facts to show "how", after they inflict untold misery and massacres on others. People like Chopra are in the wrong. These wrongheaded secular addicts like Chopra are showing the obvious and predictable result of "addiction." And, things aren't going to get any better until they stop clinging to their Hyper Compulsive Addiction to their own form of idiosyncratic blinded "secularism" and start addressing the source of their problems. They are contributing to the problem of Jihadi terrorism rather than attempting to provide a pragmatic solution to eradicate it.