Saturday, May 29, 2010



[aryayouthgroup] Re: [issuesonline_worldwide] Women empowerment: The dark side

Dear members,

It would appear that both Prof. Gupta and Mr. Shadi are right in their own way. No doubt women were kept in 'subjugation' in the past, perhaps mainly because man was the bread earner and the woman was dependent on him. However, in that system while some of the women, mind it not all, suffered dsicrimnation, overall women were far happier and they were raising happy, healthy and wise children.

The woman's emanicipation has certainly overshot and has broken up families, children are like DHOBI KA KUTTA NA GHAR KA NA GHAT KA. While the women are asserting themselves following the western life style, are they any happier? No doubt man suffers much more these days as he does not know from day to day whether he can trust his wife and whether she will return home tonight or if she is not already having an affair, which is not considered immoral or sinful in the modern day education and society! Same applies to men though perhaps to a lesser degree!

So, the whole Indian and other societies are caught up in a catch twentytwo and while women and men are both getting to express themselves, the family life of love, trust and happiness has disappeared for good and things will only get worse with the time as we are in KALIYUG and it is going to be GHORE KALIYUG where while we have the money, positions and what not but no trust, peace or happiness! The frustrated children raised in such families can only have more frustration in their young and youthful life, making them unwise and many of them criminal-minded, etc. etc.



Dear Prof. Gupta,

I have been reading your mail and kept quite as I felt that you are repeating yourself what you have done in the past few years. since it is summer and vacation time you must not have much to do and maybe summer sun has some effect on you as this letter indicates.

You used to be for rights of women and why this sudden change of hear. You had written before similar anti Women letters but didnot realise your dark side of such hate for emancipation

It is evident that you donot want nation to change and that is why have often complained about people making better wages and enjoying life. You have failed to understand that all nations are changing and you cannot dictated and call these people being selfish or whatever.
Life as it is very hard and it is well known that we have kept our females in the backwaters as we have a built in inferioty complex and keep them 2 steps behind. No one has seen any thing from you about Bride burning incidents or even aborting females but you are in the forefront to tell us what to do and how nation should behave.

It is nice that at least you are following somke western songs and if you realy wish to know about more than listen to country songs and those will tell you what life is all about

Keep cool as it is too hot and let us hope rqains come soon

--- On Fri, 5/28/10, Prof R K Gupta-India wrote:

From: Prof R K Gupta-India
Subject: [issuesonline_worldwide] Women empowerment: The dark side
Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 5:14 PM
Everything comes at a cost.So is the woman emancipation.Like western society it has started taking heavy toll in Indian society too.Strained relations,stressed homes notwithstanding twin earning, chasing the dreams and skies,confused and confounded children,insecurity,loneliness and not the least ongoing legal battles for alimony,children and so on..... with our corrupt and inefficient judicial system to add the acidic flavor.
Pangs of separation and the time slipping through fingers that won't return anyway.

Countries like India are blindly aping western culture forgetting the qualities of tolerance,accommodation,adjustment,commitment,loyalty and sacrifice that goes in foundation of 'sweet home'.

There is no point in blaming anyone and any issue.Things are just happening.Courts are full of law suits and complaints.The system is breaking down.The society is being ripped apart in pursuit of imaginary triumph and self is also not important as to who abets to all this.The consequences are terrific.

Here below is a lovely song sung by Christina Aguilera-"Hurt"
I am giving it full length as going through it well depicts the post- separation pains that no amount of money or comforting can match.
This song comes from western society, of course.People there too feel the same.But as they say we are captives of our own device.Society has gone way ahead to return.I hope wisdom prevails.
We can only counsel and spread the message.
Once gone no one can turn back the time..............


Seems like it was yesterday when I saw your face
You told me how proud you were but I walked away
If only I knew what I know today

I would hold you in my arms
I would take the pain away
Thank you for all you've done
Forgive all your mistakes
There's nothing I wouldn't do
To hear your voice again
Sometimes I want to call you but I know you won't be there

I'm sorry for blaming you for everything I just couldn't do
And I've hurt myself by hurting you
Some days I feel broke inside but I won't admit
Sometimes I just want to hide 'cause it's you I miss
You know it's so hard to say goodbye when it comes to this

Would you tell me I was wrong?
Would you help me understand?
Are you looking down upon me?
Are you proud of who I am?
There's nothing I wouldn't do
To have just one more chance
To look into your eyes and see you looking back

I'm sorry for blaming you for everything I just couldn't do
And I've hurt myself
If I had just one more day, I would tell you how much that
I've missed you since you've been away

Oh, it's dangerous
It's so out of line to try to turn back time

I'm sorry for blaming you for everything I just couldn't do
And I've hurt myself

By hurting you

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


At 10:18 PM, Anonymous Rahul said...

I read carefully what u have posted and I am made to believe that living in Seattle you seem to have lost hold on the reality that exists in Indian Society. What u tried to point out in the first half that "both man and woman are in a catch-22 situation" is extremely atrocious to say the least. The effects of the western society in which u have been living have clouded your thoughts of the scenario back here in India. Here women are still trying to win their rights and work in tandem with men. This question of affairs and all this is not what the majority is concerned about.maybe hardly 0.5-3% are involved in it and that too in metros.Else where they are fighting to provide means to their children for education.Indian Society is still trying to develop itself and what u said is not applicable by any means.This dark side is not what exists.I strongly disagree with ur views.
(nothing personal i intend)

At 1:55 AM, Blogger Tumaini Brooks Center said...

Dear Prof. Gupta

I am very excited to have come accross your piece while researching for my academic paper. I could not believe it when I saw your heading "dark side of women empowerment" as this is what I had titled my paper. I am a Kenyan and looking at the effects of women empowerment on the family, I cannot agree with you more! I guess what we call empowerment might simply be "westernization for which we are paying dearly in Kenya". Women, including the rural women who never went to school can now access money through micro-finance institutions. This has brought the woman to a place where she feels that "she know longer needs this man". This could be because traditionally, the man was a provider. Now that the woman can provide for herself, does she need this man who probably has a lower wage than herself? Is mariage simply about provisions? Will not the same woman hook up with another man after she leaves the husband?

My big question is how we can empower the man to be able to put up with this empowered woman. It might not be through putting money into his hands, but probably helping him to see the reality of things as they are now and not as they were then, and adjusting his expectations?

Please let me hear your wise counsel on this.

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