MEAT EATERS AND HINDUS

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Re: [aryasamajonline] Re: [aryayouthgroup] Cow Slaughter - It is Maya to be concerned!

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punditsunildev@comcast.net Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Reply-To: aryayouthgroup-owner@yahoogroups.com
To: Sanjeev Newar
Cc: aryayouthgroup , hindusamhati@gmail.com, Aryasamaj Online , aryayouthgroup-owner@yahoogroups.com

Please read...and think before you jump on your keyboards!

The only people who are writing in support of meat eating are:

1 Meat Eaters
2 Hindus who profess to be 'hindus' but are meat eaters
3 Weak minds that are controlled by a 3" long organ called the 'tongue' controlling a 5 foot + body and a 3 pound brain!
4 Hypocrite humans who choose to desire to eat only a few species of animals.
5 I know for a fact that most "hindus' do not eat cows or beef because they drink the milk of cows and use bulls to cultivate the fields which yields them vegetarian food
6 (ALL Muslims, on the other hand, refrain from Pork and pig meat products)
7 ...type your name here and pass it on to all the people you know are meat eaters and get them to type their names...

Pundit Sunil Dev
Sanskar Shastri
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sanjeev Newar"
To: aryayouthgroup-owner@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "aryayouthgroup" , hindusamhati@gmail.com, "Aryasamaj Online"
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 8:33:28 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [aryasamajonline] Re: [aryayouthgroup] Cow Slaughter - It is Maya to be concerned!


Just focussing on one particular point - that meat-eating is prescribed in
Vedas:

Show me one verse from all 4 Vedas that support meat-eating. I can provide
several which clearly prohibit killing of animals and instead pray for
well-being of all animals. This is an open challenge to anyone - cite one
single reference to support meat-eating or animal killing in Vedas.

Now just do not copy-paste translations of crap from Griffith/Max Muller
etc. Instead give me a more authoritative translation citing which word in
the mantra refers to animal killing, and I will show you how deliberately
meat-eating has been imposed upon Vedas by perverted or corrupt minds to
satisfy their own mania.

The fact remains that esp cow is a foundation of Hindu philosophy. The best
way to break the conviction of a Hindu is to convince him that Vedas - the
foundation of their beliefs - support cow-killing and beef-eating. We could
do little about it so far due to our slavery. But its high time we rise
above such mispropaganda and realise our original roots. That alone can
bring success for us.

Cow is worshipped not merely as an esoteric item - but because flourishing
cows can bring greatest of economic, medical and social benefits to humans.
To feed on cow -meat is as stupid an act as breaking walls of one's own home
and furniture for entertainment.

Its high time we take an unbiased look at what forms our identity rather
than becoming just like pygmies or bushmen who have no clear ideology.
Pygmies and bushmen thus live in jungles and same would be our situation if
we do not reinforce our foundations to combat the semetic menace and instead
follow the predators.

Om
Agniveer

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Deeno Sharma wrote:

> Priya Kalyan
>
> Thank you for your time taken on this matter.
>
> It is a sad indictment (ur Moslem extract - the Hindu only agree ONE Thing
> - No Eat Beef) Sad isn't it that the Great Faith of the Aryawarth - Central
> to its Fold The Soma is lost and food restriction enters.?
>
> Soma has been lost due our lack of focus, we absorb ourselves in the easy
> Nahee Mentality (don't do this - tis Adharmic). This is a negative mindset.
> Lets Promote Action, do something. The Soma was a hard item to come by and
> could mean risk of limb & life so Hindus chose an easy get out clause.
> Let's focus on something easier! Beef LSK Cow protection duty. And
> accelerate it.
>
>
> MEAT
>
> As a matter of fact, meat eating was a common practice among the people of
> this country during Vedic time. By citing several scriptures it can be shown
> that our seers or the Ṛiṣis were also used to meat eating. There are
> several instances in the Ṛgveda that mention meat eating and sacrifice of
> various animals in religious ceremonies (yajña). For example, the verses 7
> and 8 of the Hymn 29, Book 2 of the Ṛgveda describe sacrifice of *300
> buffaloes *in a single day and say
>
>
>
> NAME
>
>
>
> If some find Aryan distasteful. The know also that our Vedic name is The
> Kanvas.
>
>
>
> Kalyan u cite Arya etc as divisive. You then Uphold an Anryans name for us
> "Hindu"
>
> With this mentality some may determine "Well if we have accepted the
> Anaryan name then Perhaps the Anaryan religion is also "better" than our
> own.
>
>
>
> POINT
>
>
>
> *Assert Our Own* – All else is irrelevant and Anaryan. We the *Upholders
> of the Vedic Faith are The Aryans – The Aryawarth. The Kanvas!*
>
>
>
>
>
> Again – *HINDU (slave) is Persian* NOT SANSKRIT
>
>
>
> Is our language (Sanskrit) so poor that it could not determine our own
> name?
>
>
>
> NO! The Sanskrit name for us is The Aryawarth / The Kanvas!
>
>
>
>
>
> This is the work of Denaught Sharma (The New Swami Dayanand)
>
>
>
> *NSD "When the Aryawarth again finds His strength He will be reading from
> the pages of the Rik Veda"*
>
> * *
>
> *Dec 2008*
>
>
>
>
> --- On *Fri, 12/19/08, Kalyan Sarkar * wrote:
>
> From: Kalyan Sarkar
> Subject: Re: [aryayouthgroup] Fwd: Cow Slaughter - It is Maya to be
> concerned!
> To: aryayouthgroup-owner@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: "aryayouthgroup" ,
> hindusamhati@gmail.com
> Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 4:04 PM
>
> Dear Denaught,
>
> In respect you have excelled in using our true name - Aryawarth NOT Hindu.
>
> Whatever you call our motherland - Aryawarth, Bharat, Hind, Hindustan,
> India or whatever, the moment you start to call yourself Arya, Bharatiya,
> Indian or Hindi, you fall into the familiar secularist trap of
> disassociating yourself with the Hindu identity, and effectively weakening
> the Hindu society. At present of all the terms, its only "Hindu" that
> carries the connotation that correctly describes our nationhood and our
> national identity. All others have some element of vagueness and lack of
> clarity associated with them.
>
> Is there any particular reason you don't want to call yourself Hindu? You
> might argue that its a name given by invaders and colonisers, but do tell me
> frankly did the term "Arya" ever carry the same connotation as "Hindu"? If
> it did, then Shivaji would have dreamed of an Arya Padpadshahi instead of a
> Hindu Padpadshahi.
>
> I am quoting Swami Vivekananda here...
>
> "We are Hindus. I do not use the word Hindu in any bad sense at all, nor do
> I agree with those that think there is any bad meaning in it. In old times,
> it simply meant people who lived on the other side of the Indus; today a
> good many among those who hate us may have put a bad interpretation upon it,
> but names are nothing. Upon us depends whether the name Hindu will stand
> for everything that is glorious, everything that is spiritual, or whether it
> will remain a name of opprobrium, one designating the downtrodden, the
> worthless, the heathen.* If at present the word Hindu means anything bad,
> never mind; by our action let us be ready to show that this is the highest
> word that any language can invent.*"
>
> Swami Vivekananda countless number of times referred to the Hindus as the
> "children of Aryans". But on the question of national identity he sticked to
> the term "Hindu".
>
> I appreciate your focus on Aryawarth. I agree fully that the ills of hunger
> and poverty must be removed at the foremost. However I can't agree to put
> cow protection at any lower priority. It should be have the same priority as
> well. The agrarian economy of India is fully dependent on cow.
>
> I once again quote Swamiji on Hindus and beef...
>
> "At present there are three parties in India included under the term
> 'Hindu' — the orthodox, the reforming sects of the Mohammedan period, and
> the reforming sects of the present time. *Hindus from North to South are
> only agreed on one point, viz. on not eating beef.*"
>
> As I said earlier, your idea of opening pork outlets are highly
> commendable. Please do open one and destroy their monopoly in meat market.
>
> Thanks and regards,
> Kalyan Sarkar
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Deeno Sharma
> > wrote:
>
>> Priya Kalyan (In respect you have excelled in using our true name -
>> Aryawarth NOT Hindu.)
>>
>> your passion for Gau Mata Protection has clouded your interpretation of my
>> work.
>>
>> I have never mentioned nor implied that the An-Aryans on Eid kill and feed
>> the Aryawarth (the basis of your retort at me)
>>
>> I re-state. Gau Mata / Any other life is Irrelevant as long as A Single
>> Aryawarth Child goes hungry. Let's stop the focus on these cows. Life
>> even in the Jain / Bhuddist Inspired Gita is deemed by
>>
>> the Great LSK "As Maya" ... "Tis the Atmaa that is the true value. Arjun
>> ALL that you see here is already dead. Now Pick up your weapons and make
>> these still or I will do so myself". Demonstrating the transient nature of
>> life, this teaching is open for all Aryawarth to learn.
>>
>> We have farmers & families starvin and destitute. This is no time for Gau
>> Mata. The Life & Well being of the Aryawarth should have taken precedence in
>> these villages instead of investing in time in Cow Protection. All I am
>> asking for is that we focus on the Aryawarth. Engage his spirit to create a
>> better world. A well fed and assertive Aryawarth can create a New World. A
>> cow ??
>>
>> Anyhow on lighter matters. How was my sketch?
>>
>> We the Aryawarth have the easiest battle ahead. No violence. Simply eat
>> our way to well being and afford our agrarian production house wider choice
>> of production. In so doing these farming families will thrive and the
>> Aryawarth Child.
>>
>> The Smartest Bhramin would be the one that comes up with
>>
>> Pandit's Rib & Beer House Inc
>> Childrens Menu - Milk Shake with Smoked bacon stuffed Parathas
>>
>> chain of restaurants
>>
>> Hogs can be raised in 120 days on waste ground, field crop waste etc.
>> Cured this meat (eg Salami) will withstand brutal conditions and feed our
>> nation well.
>>
>>
>> Veda Shakti!
>>
>> Pandit - Denaught Sharma
>> Dec 08
>>
>> When the Aryawarth again finds His strength He will be reading from the
>> Pages of The Rik Veda!
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 12/17/08, Kalyan Sarkar
>> >* wrote:
>>
>> From: Kalyan Sarkar >
>> Subject: Re: [aryayouthgroup] Fwd: Cow Slaughter - It is Maya to be
>> concerned!
>> To: aryayouthgroup- owner@yahoogroup s.com
>>
>> Cc: "aryayouthgroup" >,
>> hindusamhati@ gmail.com
>> Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 11:59 AM
>>
>>
>> Hi Deeno,
>>
>> While your idea of pork is highly appreciable, your support for slaughter
>> of cows seem to be based on misplaced convictions.
>>
>> *Do you think that the cows that are slaughtered public on Eid Al-Adha
>> are for feeding of poor Muslims whom you call the destitutes of Aryavarta,
>> who have nothing to eat? Does cow slaughter help us to eradicate hunger from
>> Aryavarta?
>>
>> *I wonder how can a Hindu even contemplate of killing a cow. You better
>> change yourself to Dino Morea or Deen Mohammad.
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>> Kalyan Sarkar
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:51 PM, wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Folks
>>>
>>> Let them slaughter the cow.
>>>
>>> As long as Single Aryawarth child is hungry ALL else is irrelevant. The
>>> death of a cow cannot even begin to compare with the plight of the
>>> destitute. And God knows we have enough of these in India!
>>>
>>> It is mere dust. Made from dirt it will return to such. It is Maya to
>>> view this Physical form as of value. Tis the Atmaa that intelligence sees.
>>>
>>> WHAT SHOULD WE THE ARYAWARTH DO?
>>>
>>> Create new meals.
>>>
>>> - Bacon Wrapped in lightly toasted Parathas then baked and served with a
>>> Cold Beer
>>> - Ham Biryani
>>> - Tandoori Pork Chops braised in Cider
>>> - Meatball Madras
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't fight. Eat your way out of misery.
>>>
>>> Veda Shakti!
>>> Pndt Deeno Sharma - The New Swami Dayanand
>>>
>>> BTW When you see the Hindu on his way to market with his cart roped to a
>>> fine NC sized Pig. Then to glance over at the Moslem sitting on his porch
>>> then you will realise that "Whoa The Moslem can't feed his family cos he
>>> ate the Cow that he previously used to carry his produce".
>>>
>>> No here's commerce in action. The Hindu goes over
>>> "Dude no transport Ugh. Eid done it again?"
>>> Moslem "Yeah Man. Produce is now gonna rot"
>>> Hindu "Hey Dude for a few Sheckles Me and Big Louie (pointing to his
>>> Prized Hog) will carry your produce to market"
>>> Moslem "Whoa cool" And hands over a lump of dough to th Hindu.
>>>
>>> Words of Wisdom from The NSD (New Swami Dayanand)
>>>
>>> Veda Shakti!
>>> God Bless Berbice
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On *Mon, 12/15/08, Hindu Samhati
>>> >* wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Hindu Samhati >
>>> Subject: [aryayouthgroup] Cow Slaughter Stopped on Eid Day in West Bengal
>>> (by Hindu Samhati Supporters)
>>> To: media_monitor5@ yahoogroups. com
>>> Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 11:33 PM
>>>
>>> Cow Slaughter Stopped on Eid Day
>>> This year Bakr Eid was on 9 December. Like every year, this year too,
>>> Muslims tried to slaughter cow in various new places. But in South 24
>>> Pargana district, Hindus motivated by Hindu Samhati, tried to resist it. In
>>> several places, memorandums with mass signature were submitted to local
>>> Police Stations and representatives of HS were sent to all party meetings
>>> convened by administration. In the following places Hindus were successful
>>> to resist Cow slaughter this year.