Monday, September 21, 2009



Fw: Re: India's Psychological Shock Troops

Vijay Ashar Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Cc: "Dr. Kosla Vepa" , Rahul Chaturvedi
Another valuable lesson in true Indian history kept hidden and distorted from two generations of educated Hindus by the deceitful pseudo-seculars like Vijay Prashad, Romila Thapar, Arundhati Roy, Angana Chatterji, etc. If they really are convinced about their own twisted falsehoods, why do they continue to hide behind, so cowardly and deceptively their Hindu names even after their secret conversions to Christianity?

--- On Sun, 9/20/09, Kosla Vepa wrote:

From: Kosla Vepa
Subject: Re: India's Psychological Shock Troops
Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 12:21 PM

Here is an example fo a psychological attack by Prof Prashad, which am rebutting

I do not know which Galaxy Prof Prashad resides in or has obtained his education. Clearly, he is not familiar with the history of one of the oldest civilizations in the only habitable planet, of an insignificant star in one of the spiral arms of the Milky way Galaxy. Let us see what he is saying and separate facts from assumptions, ideology and opinion

Hindu Holocaust ?
Vijay Prashad - Professor of South Asian History Trinity College Hartford, Conn.

A fundraiser in New Jersey on Aug. 16 raised $50,000 for a "Hindu Holocaust" museum to be built in Pune. The museum is the brainchild of a Frenchman, Francois Gautier, and is under the auspices of the Viraat Hindu Sabha (VHS).

1. They claim that over the past thousand years, millions of Hindus were killed, with the intention to wipe Hindus off the map.

I do not think it is fair to say that Hindus alone were targeted. During the course of the centuries, Islamic historians by their own admission and assertions have claimed to have killed countless people and enslaved millions more. While they were fairly eclectic as to whom they killed and enslaved, they were particularly vicious towards people whom they regarded as ‘not of the book’. Such people were relegated to category of Kafirs or infidels. In fact it would be extremely accurate to say that they took great pride in reporting the killing of such infidels, so much so that every Islamic historian boasts about the large number of civilians that they beheaded after the end of each war. (see for instance Elliot and Dowson) The Hindu Kush when translated means the destructive burial ground of the Hindu, when many millions died on the long march to the slave markets of Isfahan, Samarkand and Damascus. See for instance, the paper by Scot Levi

Slavery and the Indian Slave trade during the middle ages by Scot Levi

2002, November: 'Hindus Beyond the Hindu Kush: Indians in the Central Asian Slave Trade,' Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society, 3d ser. (12, 3), pp. 277-88

Hindus beyond the Hindu Kush, Indians in the Central Asian slave trade by Scott Levi

The number of slaves was so high that slavery ceased to be an economically viable activity

2. The numbers are vague, as one might expect, but the culprit is precisely defined: Islam. The VHS uses the phrase "Islamic genocide of Hindus" to make its case. To me this is remarkable stuff. It reduces the complexity of the subcontinent's rich history into a simple morality play that has only two characters: the Hindu and the Muslim.

The numbers are vague precisely because the count was so high. If you tally up the numbers killed by Islamic hstorians, it adds up to about 70 million give or take a few million. Of course the culprit is precisely defined. Surely there should be no doubt in anybody’s mind about that. The late Rafiq Zakaria (Fareed Zakaria’s father) once remarked in a moment of uncharacteristic candor that yes, he realized tremendous numbers of Hindus were Killed by Muslims, but even so he could not bring himself to express regret and remorse at this holocaust of immense proportions.

In fact it is not the Hindu who reduces the history of India into Muslim and Hindu. For that remarkable instance of reductionism we have to thank the British and Jinnah for enunciating this breathtaking simplification that India is essentially composed of 2 nations, ignoring the vast mosaic of India which comprises of several ethnic groups such as Armenians, Jews, Parsees, Christians of the early syrian antioch church, and if we include the vast areas of South east Asia ,Central Asia and China, truly it could be said that the diversity of the Indic civilization is mindboggling in its complexity

3. The latter is the invader who has come and killed the former. Nothing else matters.

Surely , Prof Prashad is not taking the position that the killing of human beings , especially when it is so sustained and of a long duration (6 centuries) it should not become an important topic of history. Is he asking the Hindu to forget that such an event happened. Will Durant. The author of the multivolume Story of civilization takes the opposite view

Will Durant, the famous historian summed it up like this:
"The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within."

Koenraad Elst , the Belgian philologist writes in "Negation in India"

The Muslim conquests, down to the 16th century, were for the Hindus a pure struggle of life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and the populations massacred, with hundreds of thousands killed in every campaign, and similar numbers deported as slaves. Every new invader made (often literally) his hills of Hindus skulls. Thus, the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000 was followed by the annihilation of the Hindu population; the region is still called the Hindu Kush, i.e. Hindu slaughter. The Bahmani sultans (1347-1480) in central India made it a rule to kill 100,000 captives in a single day, and many more on other occasions. The conquest of the Vijayanagar empire in 1564 left the capital plus large areas of Karnataka depopulated. Even to this day, The Bellary district in India , where the mute remains of a once great empire stand silently, a monument of man’s inhumanity to man, especially the predatory nature of this ideology, remains one of the poorest districts in India, despite the fact that , Vijayanagara during its heyday was one of the richest cities in the world

As a contribution to research on the quantity of the Islamic crimes against humanity, we may mention that the Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate)..

But the Indian Pagans were far too numerous and never fully surrendered. What some call the Muslim period in Indian history, was in reality a continuous war of occupiers against resisters, in which the Muslim rulers were finally defeated in the 18th century. Against these rebellious Pagans the Muslim rulers preferred to avoid total confrontation, and to accept the compromise which the (in India dominant) Hanifite school of Islamic law made possible. Alone among the four Islamic law schools, the school of Hanifa gave Muslim rulers the right not to offer the Pagans the sole choice between death and conversion, but to allow them toleration as Zimmis (protected ones) living under 20 humiliating conditions, and to collect the jizya (toleration tax) from them. Normally the Zimmi(Dhimmi) status was only open to Jews and Christians (and even that concession was condemned by jurists of the Hanbalite school like lbn Taymiya), which explains why these communities have survived in Muslim countries while most other religions have not. On these conditions some of the higher Hindu castes could be found willing to collaborate, so that a more or less stable polity could be set up. Even then, the collaboration of the Rajputs with the Mughal rulers, or of the Kayasthas with the Nawab dynasty, one became a smooth arrangement when enlightened rulers like Akbar (whom orthodox Muslims consider an apostate) cancelled these humiliating conditions and the jizya tax. But no matter which way you slice it acceptance of Zimmi status is virtually a surrender to a diktat

4. The idea of the Hindu Holocaust casts the Hindu as history's victim, who should now become history's aggressor to avenge the past. But the Hindu was not always the victim. If you read the historical records carefully, you will find that many Hindus participated in the slaughter of other Hindus, and that the Hindu Buddhist battles of the ancient world were perhaps more bloody than anything that comes afterward. Or indeed, that the systematic violence against dalits and other subordinate castes should hold our attention far more than it does.

The argument here is breathtaking in its simplicity and the facility with which Prof Prashad makes this argument leads me to believe that he has taken leave of his senses. Surely his lack of self esteem is only exceeded by his naiveté, if he believes what he has just asserted. The argument goes essentially like this . There are a lot of murders taking place and hence that rationalizes the butchery committed by Islamic invaders and why should we single out the Islamic invader. I would like him to provide documentary proof that the extent of the killing by Hindus was comparable to the savage butchery that took place during the years of Islamic domination .

Speaking of dalits, I am reminded of a scene in Lawrence of Arabia, where IS Johar plays the role of a domestic servant and a guide to Peter o Toole. When they reach a well, IS Johar quenches his thirst by drinking from the well. Just then Omar Sharif appears on the horizon and kills IS Johar with one shot from his rifle. Peter O’Toole is flabbergasted and asks Omar Sharif why he needed to kill him. Omar Sharif replies “But he is not supposed to drink from my well”. I suppose the irony in this scene is that dead man do not live to complain about discrimination. The whole topic of Caste is a subject of debate in its own right and by bringing it up as a rationalization for the conduct of the Islamic invader, it serves no purpose and is indeed neither logical nor correct on ethical grounds.

5. Between Hindus and Muslims there has not been an endless rivalry for social power. When Islam enters the subcontinent, it does not come in the saddlebags of the Ghaznis or the Ghouris, but amongst the rumble of goods brought by traders. Early conversions are not by the sword but by the merchants . There was killing, but that was as much for reasons of warfare and plunder as for reasons of God and tradition. An interested reader might want to look at the distinguished historian Romila Thapar's superb book "Somnatha: The Many Voices of a History" (Penguin, 2005). There, Professor Thapar shows us that Mahmud Ghazni's destruction of the Shiva temple in 1026 was driven not so much by a fanatical religious belief but because his father, Subuktigin, needed money to sustain his faltering kingdom in Central Asia. Now it is certainly true, as historian Mohammed Habib put it, that there was "wanton destruction of temples that followed in the wake of the Ghaznavid army."

There is a combination of falsehoods and assumptions that make this very amusing reading Ghaznis attack on India. The point being made here is that banditry and thievery are a higher virtue than religious fanaticism. . But in Islam there is no distinction made between banditry and religion and in fact the prophet himself engages in raiding of caravans, because once he left Mecca he did not have a means of livelihood

6. When one looks at the sources contemporaneous with the Ghaznavid attacks, one finds that they mention these but only as a series among many. There was nothing about them that merits the term "Holocaust," even as they were certainly destructive of the temples and of the people who worshipped there. What Thapar points to is that this was not all done by the Central Asia marauders.
Many Hindu rulers led attacks on Hindu and Jain temples at this same time, and for similar reasons, as can be seen in the destruction of the Jain temples of Karnataka (which were converted into shrines of Shiva).

The exception does not make the rule here. Just because there are anecdotal instances of Kings who happen to be Hindu indulging in conduct not sanctioned by the Dharma, does not make it a cross we should all bear, unless therei s authentic documentation that it was a widespread practice. In the case of Islam , it is repeatedly stated by the Sultans that they are doing this to enhance their status as good Muslims

7. Indeed, there is little evidence of animus between Hindus and Muslims in the few hundred years after the entry of Ghazni. In the 13th century, a local raja, Sri Chada, granted a merchant from Hormuz the right to build a mosque on temple land. He also provided the mosque with a disbursement for teachers and preachers, for the daily reading of the Quran and for the celebration of festivals.

This simply is not true and I do not know where Prof Prashad gets this information from. AlBiruni mentions explicitly “Mahmud (Ghazni, his patron) utterly ruined the prosperity of the country and performed there wonderful exploits (read killing), by which the Hindus became like atoms of dust scattered in all directions of the country… Their scattered remains cherish, of course the most inveterate aversion t o all Muslims. This is the reason why Hindu sciences have retired far way from those parts o f the country conquered by us sand have fled to places which are hand cannot YET reach, to Kashmir. And there, the antagonism between them and all foreigners receive s more and more nourishment from political and religious sources

8. The Veraval-Somanatha inscription of 1264 shows us that evtn orthodox Shaivite priests cooperated in the building of the mosques. In the centuries that followed, common people of Gujarat followed the kind of tradition that runs from the padas of Narasimha Mehta to the padmavat of Malik Mohammed Jayasi, the ethos of mutual cultural development that was the hallmark of India for hundreds of years. Things developed to such a pass in Gujarat that in 1911, more than 200,000 people returned themselves as "Hindu-Musalman." In Kathiawar and Kutch, wedding services were, until very recently, solemnized by both a Saraswat Brahmin and a Qazi. Such is the history that is thrown to the wolves by the creation of a "Hindu Holocaust" museum.

Such instances, even if they are authentic, do not take away the argument that there was a holocaust of immense proportions. It is nobody’s contention that the vast majority of Muslims in India are not decent people . All the more reason that they should distance themselves from the apologists who rationalize or minimize the extent of the butchery that took place over the 6 centuries of Islamic domination.

9. Gautier came to India from France about 30 years ago, and settled in Pondicherry. He has written a few tracts and writes occasionally for the newspapers. His work reads like another European apologist for extreme Hindutva, Koenraad Elst. Both went to strict Catholic schools and now hold a deep animus against Christian missionaries, but seem to take their venom out mainly against Islam. Gautier and Elst want to make plain the "Muslim genocide against Hindus." But neither is a serious student of history, with little idea of how to read historical texts. They draw more from a misplaced passion than from a real, sober scientific exploration of the facts. That they are taken seriously is a sign of the degradation of reason in the world of Hindutva. Professor of South Asian History Trinity College Hartford, Conn.

But this still does not explain whether what they are saying is true or not. Shooting the messenger is the oldest trick in the book and calling somebody an apologist for extreme Hindutva just because they side with the Hindus on this issue is a childish argument but is used ubiquitously as the Brahmaastra of insults. My recommendation to Prof Prashad to stay away from characterizing his adversaries with a stereotype. The moment one caricaturizes and stereotypes a human being and reducing the multidimensional transcendental essence to a , one is indulging in bigotry of a high order. In fact this whole column reeks of stereotyping of the Hindu . I would draw attention to the fact that i make no such simplifying characterization of the Muslim. Despite the fact that the Holy Book and the scripture make atrocious statements and exhort Muslims into committing unspeakable acts such as murder, rape , enslavement, the vast Majority of Muslims are decent law abiding people. But I have yet to hear Muslim say unequivocally that the killing of innocent civilians and especially women and children is unconditionally wrong , and until that happens and there is remorse expressed at the scale of the killings there is always the fear that they will indulge in it again

Kosla Vepa

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Trishool wrote:

Hindus should identify these psychological shock troops and cultural warriors who have infiltrated our cultural institutions, secular organizations, and E-Mail discussion groups pretending as human right activists and humanists. They are influence peddlers and are crafty in disseminating misinformation and falsehood.

Dear Dr. Babu Ji,

The above is very true. I sent examples of abuse and distorted Hindu scriptures, to many Hindu groups, by fanatic, Muslim, organized group.

I am sorry to say, that not a single Hindu responded, or showed any concern or anger on false mudslinging by fanatic Muslims, on Hindu scriptures. !!

Of course, I did fight with them, and responded them in their language, exposing their own evil history, but most Hindus were silent and un concerned about Muslim attacks on Hindu scriptures, and India.

No doubt, my mails were hi jacked, and I was threatened by fanatic Muslim gang, but this Hindu warrior will keep fighting and protecting Hindu Dharma, and honor of Bharat.

I wonder, where are the followers of proud Hindus, like Chatrapati Shevaji Maharaj, Sardar Vallabh Bhai Patel, and many other great Hindu Heroes. !

God Bless Bharat.

Lal Gehi

--- On Sun, 9/20/09, Babu Suseelan wrote:

From: Babu Suseelan
Subject: India's Psychological Shock Troops


How do we find meaning in today's thought system of our psychological shock troops? Since independence, despite democratic rhetoric we hear and believe, we have become enslaved. The bogus secularists, mindless Marxists, fundamentalist Jihadists, phony intellectuals, missionary gangs and media agents have made an unholy nexus against our sacred culture, Hindus and India. Their main focus is the deliberate distortion of history, creation of unreality, erasing past brutality of Muslims, creating new memory, and denigrating Hindutva; and insulting Hindu organizations. Even today, these evil forces are involved in deliberate manufacturing of slanted information and have been on a collision course with reality. This anti Hindu unreality industry is huge. It is not an accident. It is multifaceted with enormous resources, muscle power and political clout. They dominate our country, our education, media and the government.
This anti Hindutva group is engaged in the deliberate manufacturing of falsehood, designing, manufacturing and distributing fantasies and fake theories. Instead of appreciating the cultural ethos of the nation, universal and all inclusive philosophical system, and facing the real issues, their energy is wasted on promoting meaningless theories of utilitarianism, deconstruction, proletarian revolution, jihadi terrorism and coercive religious conversion.
Instead of focusing attention on Islamic terrorism, coercive religious conversion, subversive activities, their energy is wasted on the creation of unreality and promoting misinformation and spreading mind viruses. Under the guise of freedom, they are indulging in aberrations..
A primary concentration of the reality industry dominated by Marxists, secularist, and Jihadists is to deny past Islamic brutality and present Jihadi terrorism. They are obsessed with the denial of reality and busy creating bogus theories to endorse Islamic invasion and atrocities. The deliberate, systematic manufacturing of falsehood, distortion of history has emerged primarily in reaction to Hindu resurgence.
The case in point is the proposed creation of a Hindu Holocaust Museum. Francois Gautier has been very active in promoting the idea of establishing a Hindu Holocaust Museum to remind Hindus of the genocide and to shed light on the past brutal history of Islamic invasion. How could we deny the dark side of our history? This Holocaust Museum will remind Hindus—how could Hindu genocide could happen? For an answer, we need such a Holocaust Museum. Holocaust Museum is the best solution and positive action for the examination of our real history. The Hindu Holocaust Museum planned by Francois Gautier is an inspiring and visionary work. This is an attempt to educate Hindus on the real history of Islamic brutality. It will also unchain Hindu spirit and empower Hindus.
Those who object Holocaust Museum are hiding behind a thick wall of denial, suffering from a cognitive disorder and they make the most vigorous efforts to manipulate minds. The secularists and the gullible public are trapped by a complex web of Marxists propaganda and media manipulation. These slave masters control our bureaucracy, education, and manage every facet of Indian life. They devise several bogus illogical propositions to bypass our history. Since it is particularly prevalent among Marxists, we should do well to learn their tricks and be on guard against it. Marxists and Jihadis are known for their argument from intimidation. It involves unintelligible verbiage which conveys nothing clearly except threats. Their noisy aggressiveness serves to hide their ignorance and intellectual impotence.
Hindus should identify these psychological shock troops and cultural warriors who have infiltrated our cultural institutions, secular organizations, and E-Mail discussion groups pretending as human right activists and humanists. They are influence peddlers and are crafty in disseminating misinformation and falsehood.
Hindus on any conditions should not make compromise with these shock troops. There should not be any compromise between our freedom and death, or between truth and falsehood. Hindus should wage an intellectual battle against such cultural warriors. Hindus should not be apologetic or wait for the approval of our enemies. Hindu shakthi could transform us from passive bystanders into the passionate architects of our future.

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