Monday, July 20, 2009



Re: (article) Celina Jaitley and Baba Ramdev spar over Sex, India, Sanskrito Culture

Vijay Ashar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Shambhu, (I prefer to know you by your real, Sanskrit name than by the westernised 'Sam') i am not clear about the purport of your msg. Are you expressing approval and admiration of Celina's criticism of Baba Ramdev's campaign against making homosexuality (of male or female variety) legally acceptable and socially fashionable? Baba's specific allusions about her sexual proclivities are not meant to be taken 'literally', but only in relative perspective, as a figure of speech; e.g., his comment: "she is known to change her male friends once a month"....... And what if it is actually close to being accurate, as is entirely plausible?

Her claim to being an ideal, positive role model of Hindu, or even Indian womanhood by virtue of her being able to recite 500 Sanskrit subhashitas or her winning the "coveted" (her own word choice) Miss India accolade in 2001 is based on very flimsy and superficial grounds. She talks about her own feminine modesty being violated by Baba Ramdev's accusation of her libertarian behavior, and her endorsement that other 'liberated' Indian women follow her example in choosing their lifestyle. Is she even aware of a special one-syllable word used by Shri KrishNa in B. Gita (XVI-2) called 'Hree' in characterizing the essential attributes of a cultured (Saattvik) person? This word basically means a sense of natural shame at (and hence recoiling from) indulging in something vulgar or grossly immodest. This attribute applies to every refined person (Aarya-putra) regardless of gender. But it applies especially to a natural instinct among all cultured women. I would be very happy to challenge her on her knowledge of Sanskrit Shlokas, even relatively simple ones. Would she be ready for that?

Incidentally, Shambhu, i am curious to know if she is related to Arun Jaitley, the failed BJP hancho.

--- On Mon, 7/20/09, Shambhu 'Sam' Rao wrote:

From: Shambhu 'Sam' Rao
Subject: (article) Celina Jaitley and Baba Ramdev spar over Sex, India, Sanskrito Culture
To: "Sam Rao"
Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 1:35 PM

FYI Times of India article
And Interestingly I like Celina Jaitley points esp when its a persnal attack on her!
Baba is used to speaking in a Pravachan which is usally not challenged, so sometimes such folks get away with twisting facts or saying inaccurate stuff.
We should work on helping postives rather than promote negatives in humanity.
Let me know what you hink of it- article below

Sam Rao

Celina: Baba Ramdev, the outlaw!

MEGHA JHA, TNN 19 July 2009, 08:29pm IST

The yoga guru can be charged against Article 509 of the IPC, say the
actress, who comes from an Army background and can recite

4Actress and gay activist Celina Jaitley is up in arms against Baba
Ramdev. The yoga guru, who has petitioned against de-criminalising
homosexuality, recently said the actress had no idea of “Bharatiya
sanskriti” or Indian culture since “she lived away from her parents
and changed boyfriends every month”.

He argued, “Woh toh har mahine partners badalti hai ussey bharatiya
sanskriti ke baarey me mein kya maaloom?”

Celina warns that his words can be deemed to insult the modesty of a
woman under Article 509 of the Indian Penal Code, which says,
“Whoever, intending to insult the modesty of any woman, utters any
word, makes any sound or gesture, or exhibits any object, intending
that such word or sound shall be heard, or that such gesture or object
shall be seen, by such woman, or intrudes upon the privacy of such
woman, shall be punished with simple imprisonment for a term which may
extend to one year, or with fine, or with both.”

Celina is clearly annoyed. “It is because of self-proclaimed leaders
like him that the whole image of the modern women takes a beating.”

The actress insists she is quite familiar with Indian culture. Celina
says: “I am the fifth generation of an Army family. Many of my family
members have laid down their lives to protect the country. Every drop
of their blood has gone into serving the nation. I have the right to
protect the integrity of the women in India.

- I also won the coveted Miss India title in the year 2001.

- Although I have studied science and computers, I have acquired
almost 80% of my education in Hindi medium from Kendriya Vidyalaya.

- And ironically, I have learnt Sanskrit as a subject till my10th grade.

- I have lived all life in the interiors of India. I am proficient in
five Indian languages.

- I can recite 500 Sanskrit shlokas.

- I’m a yoga practitioner since the age of 14.”

The actress also says that despite her achievements, the great
“Bramhachari” seems to know more about her “sex life” than she
herself. “In any case, I can truly say that he is not a true yoga
teacher,” says Celina.

“With all due respects, just because he is a yoga maestro, he cannot
and does not have the qualification or the degree to diagnose any
illness or disease without any medical background; this would fall
under medical malpractice. He has the right to teach yoga and help
people to use it to their benefit based on prior approval and
diagnosis of a trained medical practitioner, but not to make a serious
medical diagnosis based on religious beliefs and his own personal
perspectives,” Celina adds.

As someone who represents the youth, Celina gives Baba Ramdev credit
for contributing to a revival of yoga but adds that it doesn’t make
him a “Samaj ka Thekedaar”. She says, “These people prefer to live in
a cocooned thought process and don’t wish to come out of it. It’s
people like him who mislead innocent followers into believing in a
wrong image of the modern working woman, who are beaten mercilessly
for going into a bar or a pub.”



At 12:36 PM, Blogger premendra said...

I agree with Sam. In the past, no Hindu sannyasi had ever used so filthy words for any woman in history as the following quoted in your blog.
"He argued, “Woh toh har mahine partners badalti hai ussey bharatiya
sanskriti ke baarey me mein kya maaloom?”"

Ramakrishna Paramahansa called even prostitutes "Maa". The Pancha-Mahakanyas of Hindu religion, whose names ought to be recited by every Hindu daily, had all multiple sex partners. (Kunti, Mandodari, Tara, Ahilya, Draupadi)

After reading his comment, I have stopped calling him Baba. He is just a citizen with many good virtues, but yet has not transcended enough to be considered a yogi.


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