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RE: {UnitedHinduFront} Re: Kaaba-Shiva linga

Om Kumar Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 3:27 PM
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Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:30:39 -0800
Subject: {UnitedHinduFront} Re: Kaaba-Shiva linga

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Kabba is Lord Shiva temple

Part 2.

Cont. from earlier page...

Muhammad belonged to the Qurayshi Tribe of Mecca. The Qurayshi were particularly devoted to Goddess Alla (Durga) and the famous Shivling of the Kaaba Temple. The fact that the Shivling remains to this day in the Kaaba is solely due to the fact that it happened to be the Qurayshi tribe's faceless Family Deity. Muhammad's name itself came from Mahadeva, which is another cognate for Lord Shiva. Muhammad's own uncle, Umar-Bin-E-Hassham was a staunch Hindu and fervent devotee of Lord Shiva. He was a renowned poet and wrote many verses in praise of Shiva. One of these has survived on page 235 of Sair-Ul-Okul and reads as follows:

Kafavomal fikra min ulumin Tab asayru
Kaluwan amataul Hawa was Tajakhru
We Tajakhayroba udan Kalalwade-E Liboawa
Walukayanay jatally, hay Yauma Tab asayru
Wa Abalolha ajabu armeeman MAHADEVA
Manojail ilamuddin minhum wa sayattaru
Wa Sahabi Kay-yam feema-Kamil MINDAY Yauman
Wa Yakulum no latabahan foeennak Tawjjaru
Massayaray akhalakan hasanan Kullahum
Najumum aja- at Summa gabul HINDU

which translates as:
The man who may spend his life in sin
and irreligion or waste it in lechery and wrath
If at least he relent and return to
righteousness can he be saved?
If but once he worship Mahadeva with a pure
heart, he will attain the ultimate in spirituality.
Oh Lord Shiva exchange my entire life for but
a day's sojourn in India where one attains salvation.

But one pilgrimage there secures for one all merit and company of the truly great.

Muhammad's uncle was one of the resident priests of the Shiv temple known as "Kaaba". This sacred sanctum was decorated in an extremely rich and beautiful fashion. The Kaaba was astronomically oriented to face the winds. The minor axis of the rectangular base of the Kaaba was solistically aligned towards summer sunrise and winter sunset. It contained 360 statues of Vedic deities and was a shrine primarily associated with sun worship. The temple was an architectural representation of an interlocking set of theories covering virtually all creation and comprehending chemistry, physics, cosmology, meteorology and medicine. Each wall or corner of the Kaaba was associated with a specific region of the world. Thus this glorious Hindu temple was made to symbolically represent a microcosm of the universe. The Arabs would face east when praying. This representation of a microcosm demonstrated by the eight directional structure was derived from the Tantric pattern of Hinduism. Right at the centre of the Kaaba was the octogonal pedestal of Bramha the creator.

Today this very pedestal is called Maqam-E-Ibrahim by the Muslims.
However, more significant was the fact that the Kaaba was an extremely rich and ornate temple. On its walls hung innumerable gold plaques commemorating the winners of the annual poetry competition known as the Okaj fair. There were gold, silver and precious gems everywhere. It is no wonder that Muhammad armed with his facade of a new brand of religion set out to capture the immense wealth of the Vedic shrine of Mecca. After plundering the riches of the Kaaba, the wealth enabled him to systematically destroy all traces of the religion that threatened him so directly. It is an indisputable fact that money will make any low criminal devoutly religious in a hurry.

Despite the fact that Muhammad had to destroy all traces of Hinduism in order to make his "new religion" work, he knew that he would had to borrow from the Vedic culture that surrounded him.

Muhammad destroyed all 360 idols, but even he could not summon the courage to completely obliterate the Shivling in the Kaaba. He entered the temple and kissed the black stone. The Shivling was so sacred that the man who so detested idol- worship ended up kissing the largest idol in the Kaaba. Later his followers in a fit of piety broke the Shivling and then out of remorse repatched it together again. Today it lies broken at seven places and held together by a silver band studded with silver nails, bearing the name "Sangey Aswad" which came from the Sanskrit Ashwet meaning non-white or black stone.
He jumbled up the Sanskrit words Nama and Yaja (which meant "bowing and worshipping" respectively) into a combination word Namaz and used that to describe his prescribed method of prayer.

In fact the rise of Islam put a full stop to all the previous knowledge of Arabia. The imperialistic message of Islam diverted all energies into raiding, looting and destruction. The incentive to learn and preserve the Vedic wisdom that had thrived in Arabia for so many centuries, was wiped out by the brutal pressure of Islam. Making easy money through loot and massacre was far more appealing than upholding the tenets of ancient knowledge. Gone were the schools, teachers, libraries, poets, artists, philosophers and scholars that had littered the Vedic landscape of Arabia like stars. Everyone had to become a raider if not from choice then for the sake of surviving the absolute intolerance of dissenters, that Islam preached. Thus was the light of learning extinguished in Arabia.

Dr Sharma wrote:

I recently encountered an incident where an alleged Muslim tried to denigrate the sacred Shiva linga comparing it to a phallic symbol and asserting that Hindu women use it as a fertility symbol. I replied in the following way and revealed to him the true nature of the most sacred shrine of Islam, the Kaaba. I have not received a response from him yet, it is hoped that he has not died from shock!

"As you are aware, that al-Quran (Koran) states that knowledge is the lost property of the believer and he should gather it wherever he can. So what I am about to relay to you is enlightening and already known to true scholars of Islam. However if you are a faithful Muslim then it will be a revelation which will change your entire outlook on the world and Islam. Feel free to forward this testimony to your fellow brethren.
A recent archaeological find in Kuwait unearthed a gold-plated statue of the Hindu deity Ganesh. A Muslim resident of Kuwait requested historical research material that can help explain the connection between Hindu civilisation and Arabia. Glancing through some research material recently, I was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a King Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire.
The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded on page 315 of a volume known as 'Sayar-ul-Okul' treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in simple English the inscription says:
"Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram's reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. Nevertheless, at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. As the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf us Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in darkness as intense as on a new moon night. However, the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at King Vikramaditya's behest."
If you would like to read the Arabic wording, I reproduce it hereunder in Roman script:
"Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun Yartapheeha Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundan blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin Atadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhada walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum".
A careful analysis of the above inscription enables us to draw the following conclusions:
1. That the ancient Indian empires may have extended up to the eastern boundaries of Arabia until Vikramaditya and that it was he who for the first time conquered Arabia. Because the inscription says that king Vikram who dispelled the darkness of ignorance from Arabia.
2. That, whatever their earlier faith, King Vikrama's preachers had succeeded in spreading the Vedic (based on the Vedas, the Hindu sacred scriptures)) way of life in Arabia.
3. That Indians to the Arabs imparted the knowledge of Indian arts and sciences directly by founding schools, academies and cultural centres. The belief, therefore, that visiting Arabs conveyed that knowledge to their own lands through their own indefatigable efforts and scholarship is unfounded.
Having seen the far reaching and history shaking implications of the Arabic inscription concerning king Vikrama, we shall now piece together the story of its find. How it came to be recorded and hung in the Kaaba in Mecca. What are the other proofs reinforcing the belief that Arabs were once followers of the Indian Vedic way of life and that tranquillity and education were ushered into Arabia by king Vikramaditya's scholars, educationists from an uneasy period of "ignorance and turmoil" mentioned in the inscription.
In Istanbul, Turkey, there is a famous library called Makhatab-e-Sultania, which is reputed to have the largest collection of ancient West Asian literature. In the Arabic, section of that library is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. That anthology was compiled from an earlier work in A.D. 1742 under the orders of the Turkish ruler Sultan Salim.
The pages of that volume are of Hareer – a kind of silk used for writing on. Each page has a decorative gilded border. That anthology is known as Sayar-ul-Okul. It is divided into three parts. The first part contains biographic details and the poetic compositions of pre-Islamic Arabian poets. The second part embodies accounts and verses of poets of the period beginning just after Prophet Mohammad's times, up to the end of the Banee-Um-Mayya dynasty. The third part deals with later poets up to the end of Khalif Harun-al-Rashid's times.
Abu Amir Asamai, an Arabian bard who was the poet Laureate of Harun-al-Rashid's court, has compiled and edited the anthology.
The first modern edition of 'Sayar-ul-Okul' was printed and published in Berlin in 1864. A subsequent edition is the one published in Beirut in 1932.
The collection is regarded as the most important and authoritative anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. It throws considerable light on the social life, customs, manners and entertainment modes of ancient Arabia. The book also contains an elaborate description of the ancient shrine of Mecca, the town and the annual fair known as OKAJ, which used to be held every year around the Kaaba temple in Mecca. This should convince readers that the annual HAJ of the Muslims to the Kaaba is of earlier pre-Islamic congregation.
However, the OKAJ fair was far from a carnival. It provided a forum for the elite and the learned to discuss the social, religious, political, literary and other aspects of the Vedic culture then pervading Arabia. 'Sayar-ul-Okul' asserts that the conclusion reached at those discussions was widely respected throughout Arabia. Mecca , therefore, followed the Varanasi tradition (of India) of providing a venue for important discussions among the learned while the masses congregated there for spiritual bliss. The principal shrines at both Varanasi in India and at Mecca in Arvasthan (Arabia) were Shiva temples. Even to this day ancient Mahadev (Shiva) emblems can be seen. It is the Shankara (Shiva) stone that Muslim pilgrims reverently touch and kiss in the Kaaba - black stone (al-Hajar-ul-Aswad).
Arabic tradition has lost trace of the founding of the Kaaba temple. The discovery of the Vikramaditya inscription affords a clue. King Vikramaditya is known for his great devotion to Lord Mahadev (Shiva). At Ujjain ( India), the capital of Vikramaditya, exists the famous shrine of Mahakal, i.e., of Lord Shankara (Shiva) associated with Vikramaditya. Since according to the Vikramaditya inscription he spread the Vedic religion, who else but he could have founded the Kaaba temple in Mecca?
A few miles away from Mecca is a big signboard that bars the entry of any non-Muslim into the area. This is a reminder of the days when the Kaaba was stormed and captured solely for the newly established faith of Islam. The object in barring entry of non-Muslims was obviously to prevent its recapture.
As the pilgrim proceeds towards Mecca, he is asked to shave his head and beard and to don special sacred attire that consists of two seamless sheets of white cloth. One is to be worn round the waist and the other over the shoulders. Both these rites are remnants of the old Vedic practice of entering Hindu temples clean- and with holy seamless white sheets.
The main shrine in Mecca, which houses the Shiva emblem, the black stone (al-Hajar-ul-Aswad) and the entire cuboidal structure, is known as the Kaaba (from Sanskrit Garbha). It is clothed in a black shroud. That custom also originates from the days when it was thought necessary to discourage its recapture by camouflaging it.
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According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica, the Kaaba has 360 images. Traditional accounts mention that one of the deities among the 360 destroyed when the place was stormed was that of Saturn; another was of the Moon and yet another was one called Allah. That shows that in the Kaaba the Arabs worshipped the nine planets in pre-Islamic days. In India the practice of 'Navagraha' puja, that is worship of the nine planets, is still in vogue. Two of these nine are Saturn and Moon.
In India, the crescent moon is always painted across the forehead of the Shiva symbol. Since that symbol was associated with the Shiva emblem in Kaaba it came to be grafted on the flag of Islam.
Another Hindu tradition associated with the Kaaba is that of the sacred stream Ganga (sacred waters of the Ganges River ). According to the Hindu tradition, Ganga is also inseparable from the Shiva emblem as the crescent moon. Wherever there is a Shiva emblem, Ganga must co-exist. True to that association, a sacred fount exists near the Kaaba. Its water is held sacred because it has been traditionally regarded as Ganga since pre-Islamic times (Zam-Zam water).
[Note: Even today, Muslim pilgrims who go to the Kaaba for Haj regard this Zam-Zam water with reverence and take some bottled water with them as sacred water.]
Muslim pilgrims visiting the Kaaba temple go around it seven times. In no other mosque does the circumambulation (tawaf) prevail. Hindus invariably circumambulate around their deities. This is yet another proof that the Kaaba shrine is a pre-Islamic Indian Shiva temple where the Hindu practice of circumambulation is still meticulously observed.
Since "Makha" means fire, the seven circumambulations also prove that Mecca was the seat of Indian fire-worship in the West Asia as even now the sacred fire (havan/makha/yajna) is circled by Hindus SEVEN times. Pilgrims (hajjis) endeavour to touch or even kiss the black stone (Shiva linga-emblem of Shiva) and the tribe of the Prophet Mohammed, the Qureshis are the custodians of the this black stone and tend to it daily and apply scented oil to it.
It might come as a stunning revelation to many that the word 'ALLAH' itself is Sanskrit. In Sanskrit language Allah, Akka. Ilah and Amba are synonyms. They signify a goddess or mother. The term 'ALLAH' forms part of Sanskrit chants invoking goddess Durga, also known as Bhavani, Parvati (Illa). The name of the consort of the mother goddess is Shiva, since ancient times known as Il. The Islamic word for God is therefore, not an innovation but the ancient Sanskrit appellation retained and continued by Islam. Allah means mother goddess and Shiva. (Il + Illah= Allah).
Finally, rather than denigrate any other faith, try to see the commonality between all faiths. The Shiva lingam cannot be understood through rudimentary logic and your crude references to women mounting it for fertility is repugnant (just as the kissing of the black stone by faithful hajjis as representing the male organ). Shiva linga (Shiva emblem/sign) represents the regenerative aspect (Shiva) of the Almighty. We are all the creation of the universal being and all faiths are paths to the same destination, the sooner we agree on this matter, the better for all humanity.
Wishing you a peaceful and enlightening new year.
Khuda-hafis (peace be with you)"

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At 11:47 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

Dear friends,
Understand Islam properly.
It is the greatest religion in the world.
It is the most scientific religion.
It stands for peace of the entire humanity.

Muhammed Ali

At 6:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

you are so very incorrect. .where are you getting this information? you dream it up??are you delusional?
read some authentic books. .you need an education, start at schooling maybe that wud help! =]

At 4:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope ALLAH gives u hidaya,ur giving out wrong information about Islam.Read the authentic book THE HOLY QURAN...And Islam never originated it was always there.The Holy Quran has explanation for everything.Please visit Dr.Zakir Naiks website if u wnt 2 put forward ur argument. Hope Allah gives u hidaya.

At 9:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well its kinda funny how you guys can cook up a great story to make Islam look insignificant. May Allah give you knowledge. Maybe you need to look deeply in your own religion and find out why Your lord Krishna had 1400 wives. Also you speak of Islam growing terrorist when your Bhagvad Gita is full of stories where Krishna is asking Arjun to kill his cousins. How much for accuracy!!!! And all the stuff on symbol and its meanings are a different branch on your idol worship theories...Grow up buddy... jus saying Hare Rama Hare Krishna wont take u anywhere nor will maligning Islam..In fact since Islam is such a popular religion, u are using it to gain leverage and put your views forth. Tomorrow Christianity/Judaism becomes popular you will show a great Vedic History that existed in Jerusalem. Also to prove that you and ur "truth about kaba" is correct, please provide some citations. Just because a grt bhakt of Krishna is saying so, we cant take it on face value. So my advice to you is to delve deep in your own scriptures before quoting the Holy Quran insensibly. May Allah bless you with the right knowledge. Allah Hafiz :)

At 8:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

PLease stop preaching God Krishna like this.....If people want, they may worship preaching like this, you are showing him in poor light...

At 8:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

By using derogatory language against Allah, you people are not glorifying the Hindu religion...You are in fact turning people against it..The facts are there, let people decide for themselves...I strongly urge you people to delete those derogatory comments..Please, for the sake of ur religion..God bless you..

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At 11:32 AM, Blogger NEUTRAL said...

Guys, stop degrading yourselves by bad-mouthing other's relgion...
WE are all human, when we die, GOD won't judge us as hindu or muslims or christians... please observe the similarities between the different cultures...
I do accept the fact that hindu is the most ancient religion...and that other cultures is actually following the same thing hrough different means, but it doesn; mean that we criticize others... deity durga is deity allah.... so finally all are praying the same one GOD....right?? then why argue... If some believetha muhammed created the religion, it was also prdicted in bhavihya puran,ten what the fuss... Hea bound to come to earth,,,but just think guys,,,muhamedwas could have been wrong, but His own message about allah (or durga) is the same.... WHAT's IN A NAME??

What i personally judge wrong is that why only muslims re allowed at mecca??? is it really beause mhammed ddnt wan't anboy to recapture it...then THAT IS WRONG... GOD is one for ALL, then why only mulims are allowed??? LET THE WHOLE HUMANITY ENJOYS THAT BEAUTIFUL CREATION because it was there during the vedic time (PRE-islamic), and even abraham is linked to the kaaba.... then HINDU AND CHRISTIAN,i mean ALL HUMANITY SHOULD HAVEBEE ALLOWED TO THIS SACRED PLACE.....

N.B: what u r actually looking for is none other than in your own heart... then look for it, its the most fundamental thing in your exisence.... whether its krishna, jesus or allah.....

May GOD bless you all

At 11:32 AM, Blogger NEUTRAL said...

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At 8:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey is hinduism really that inadequate that it does not say anything about using bad words in public or back biting or crityicising ruthlessly ,i dont think so .know your own religion before critycising others like that. i am sure it is better than your behavior.May ALLAH SHOW YOU GUYS THE RIGHT PATH.

At 7:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

u guys digging ur own grave to hell!! No point in sounding so psychotically retards, frustrated and ignorant!! May ALLAH show u the right path!!

At 4:46 AM, Blogger hue said...


Understand History, if you eat food not shit. pre islamic era was full of idol worship, if you seen around the world, Christianity is the biggest religion in mass, then Islam,
If you read vedas, even the sadhus and saint of that time, mentioned that god has no idol no structure, so all this idols which we get from different parts of the world doesnt mean that they are god, if they were god why they were in the mud, since centuries ?? cant they remove mud and cover out ?? when they cant help them self , how they will help you ???

now , as many myth about Kaba as hindu temple, if you read islamic history, Kaba was a place, where pre islamic period full of people who use to worship idol of creatures. and islam came to earth, to give people the reality of god, that he is not made of stone, he has no shape or structure. if the stone gods were real, why didnt they save them self from getting from my kaba ??

please answere, who is strong human or god ??

At 10:16 PM, Blogger Taj Sir said...

The author of this article seems to be suffering from miss identity personality dis-order. It is nothing but a rubbish collection of day-dreaming.


At 10:21 PM, Blogger Taj Sir said...

The author of this article seems to be suffering from Misidentity Personality Disorder. It is scattered mental rubbish day dreaming.

At 7:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

well.......i guess the more we find out about islams origin and real motives, the more the fears that free individuals have are actually coming true. personally id be glad to see the last of all religion, since to me and a whole group of scientists its nothing more than psychosis. and all claims made by muslims are being proven wrong. no science, but stealing of knowledge. no development but orthodoxism and conservatism. no love, but annexation by violence or breeding. and anyone that believes zakir naik is a scientist needs his head examined. hes a extremist hatemongerer. i suggest you check how many have been killed by muslims for not believing in the same imaginary friend.

At 3:18 AM, Anonymous Mary Moore said...

PLease stop preaching God Krishna like this.....If people want, they may worship preaching like this, you are showing him in poor light...  

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