Saturday, January 03, 2009



[Vivekananda Shakha] Fw: Re: Islam is against Terrorism

Rama Hesh Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 10:02 AM

If the same thing continues,HINDUs will see the end very soon (150 years). Rama

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Sriram Savarkar
Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 10:12:46 AM
Subject: [The Powerup India Group] Re: Islam is against Terrorism

Here is my response to Mr.Sadiq Thaver's letter titled "Islam is against Terrorism" (here below mentioned details).


Hindus have not just one but one million reasons to be angry at Muslims in India. Let me list only a few of them for Mr.Sadiq's kind-hearted understanding,
even though I believe Mr.Sadiq is deliberately acting to be ignorant of the reasons behind this Hindu mindset and the history – past and present.

So, I will try to make it as simple and as clear for him as possible… and, for all those 'secularists' and Leftists who pretend to be naive just like Mr.Sadiq

1.. First of all, Hindus hold Muslims responsible for the vivisection of their country that they consider as their MOTHER. Hindus adorably call it Bharat-Mata,
Matru-Bhoomi, Puniya-Bhoomi, Dharma-Bhoomi, Swarag-Bhoomi, etc.

2. Hindus cannot understand why the Muslims are still living in India. It is a well-known fact that in 1946 elections, more than 90% of the Muslims voted
for the breakup of the greater India and the creation of a Muslim land called Pakistan. Despite getting their Muslim land – believe it or not – only 15%
Muslims left for the Pakistan and 85% of them stayed put in India. Hindus really want all these Muslims living in India to leave Hindus alone in their

3. Hindus are upset that Muslims are having a cake and want to eat it too. Thus, Hindus can see that Muslims have opened a separate bank account for Muslims
in Pakistan and Bangladesh, while they are operating a joint bank account with Hindus in India. This is not right and absolutely unfair. Hindus do not
want to share the India with Muslims.

4. Again, at the time of Partition of India in 1947, there were 20% Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan. Now there are only 1% or so. In 1947 there were more than
30% Hindus in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh), at this time there are only 8% Hindus there. Hindus want Muslims to explain what happened to all those Hindus.
Hindus are absolutely unhappy about the ethnic cleansing of Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh.

5. Conversely, during the same period the Muslim population in India has been rising with leaps and bounds. Muslim numbers in India have risen from 9% in
1951 to 15% now. Hindus abhor this. In the unprecedented rise of Muslim population in India, Hindus clearly see a mortal threat to their very existence
as Hindus. They see this as a conspiracy to breakup and divide their country all over again.

6. Hindus simply will never be able to forget the massive scale of rapes, murders, loot and mayhem let lose by Muslims on the peaceful Hindus in Kashmir
and the vicious ethnic cleansing in their own country.

7. How can Hindus forget massacre of our 35 Sikh brothers at Chattisinghpora in the State of Jammu and Kashmir in year 2000, an attack on Jammu and Kashmir
State Legislature in October, 2001, another attack on the India's National Parliament in December 2001, yet another attack on the American Cultural Center
in January 2002, the roasting alive of 56 women and children in February 2002 at Godhra Railway Station in Gujarat State, the killing of more than 30 members
of families of Army personnel in May 2002, serial bomb attacks on passenger trains and public places in the country's financial capital Mumbai on August
2005 that killed 46 people and injured 160, another devilish attack on the Hindu religious place, the Akshardham Temple in September 2002 – 29 individuals
including 16 women and four children killed, the butchering of Hindus in Mau in State of Uttar Pradesh, the Delhi bomb blasts in October 2005 – 70 people
killed, massacre of Gujjars in Doda and Udhampur, in State of Jammu and Kashmir in May 2006, a second series of Mumbai train bomb blasts in July 2006 – 200 people dead, a separate series of bomb blasts in Lucknow, Varanasi, Jaipur, Ahmedabad, Bangluru and recent attacks on Mumbai Terror – hundreds killed.

8. While Hindus in Jammu agitating for the legitimate rights of Hindu pilgrims in Amernath raise the slogan of Bharat Mata ki Jai, the Muslims in Srinagar,
to the great mortification and chagrin of Hindus, wave green flags of Pakistan and openly raise the slogans of Pakistan Zindabad (long live Pakistan)!
This treacherous behavior of Muslims is unacceptable and outrageous to Hindus and causes a serious heartburn to them.

9. Recently, in a shocking disclosure, India's National Security Advisor, M..K. Narayanan while talking to newsmen in Singapore disclosed that 800 terrorist
cells are operating in the country. These home grown terrorists are none other than the Indian Muslims who provide shelter, guidance, financial assistance
and other infrastructure facilities to the terrorists to kill more and more Hindus and destabilize Indian economy. Hindus have every reason to express
their indignation and angst at this blatant anti-national activity.

10. All Kashmiri Muslims are doing roaring business all over India. There are Haj Houses all over the country. But the Muslim leaders are openly and repeatedly
declaring that they would not give "an inch of land" in Hindu India to Shri Amarnath Shrine Board. What an act of ingratitude!

11. Hindus simply cannot erase from their memory the Great Killings of Calcutta on August 16-17, 1946 in which more than 5,000 Hindus were butchered by
Muslim fanatics supported by the Muslim Chief Minister of Bengal. Hindus also vividly recall the genocide of 5,000 unarmed Hindus in Noakhali in Bengal
State around the same time. Hindus simply cannot forget the beastly brutalities perpetrated by the West Pakistani Muslim military establishment on the
East Pakistan Hindus during the Bangladesh uprising in 1971. Events like these are unparalleled in the history of humanity..

12. Describing the unimaginable capacity of the Muslim mind to conduct the dance of devil, Mr. A. Ghosh, the celebrated author of book "Kafir and Quran,"
writes: "In many cases a whole community (of Hindus in East Pakistan) was encircled. Mothers and daughters were raped on a mass scale, in presence of brothers or fathers. Breasts of elderly ladies were chopped off. Pregnant women were disemboweled; infants' heads were smashed on the floor. Then followed the chopping off of genitals, gouging out of eyes, and on and on and on. As a grand finale, everybody was put in a house and the house was set on fire."

13. Hindus also remember very well as to how the Sikh Guru Arjun Dev was made to sit on a hot plate over the raging fire and the hot sand was poured over
his body… until he died. Hindus and Sikhs will never be able to forget as to how another Sikh Guru, Teg Bahadur Saheb, was murdered in cold blood by the
Muslims because he refused to convert to Islam. Hindus remember the two young sons of the last Sikh Guru, Gobind Singh, who were bricked alive by the Muslim
ruler, as they refused to embrace the Islam.

14. For the information of Mr.Sadiq, listed here are only a few of the Muslim militant organizations that preach hatred and violence against the Kafirs…
principally the Hindus, Sikhs, Jains and Buddhists… and are working overtime to establish Nizame-Mustafa (the Islamic domination) in India:
(1) Muslim Volunteer Force,
(2) Islamic Revolutionary Front,
(3) Islamic Liberation Army of Assam,
(4) Jamait-e-Islami,
(4) Hurriyat Conference,
(5) Jamit-al-Quran Hadis,
(6) Tamilnadu Muslim Munnetra Kazhagam,
(7) Al Ummah,
(8) Islamic Movement of India,
(8) Student Islamic Movement of India (the notorious SIMI),
(9) Islamic Youth Center,
(10) Jihad Committee,
(11) Muslim United Liberation Tigers of Assam,
(12) Muslim Liberation Front of Assam,
(13) Al Huda,
(14) Jehad,
(15) Tehreek-ul-Mujahide en,
(16) National Democratic Front,
(17) Mili Parliament,
(18) Indian Muslim Mohammadi Mujahideen, and
(19) Indian Mujaheden.

The principal aim of all the above groups is the annihilation of Hindus.

15. Hindus in India and the Indian subcontinent have witnessed an unprecedented continued chain of barbarism by Muslims in the last 1400 years. In 712 A.D.,
the then Governor of Iraq sitting two thousand miles away from the Indian capital Delhi, ordered the Iraqi Muslim ruler in India to bring about the destruction
on unbeliever Hindus (unbeliever: the Hindus that do not believe in Islam) if they did not accept Islam. The historical chronicles tell us that in the
merciless slaughter that ensued, 26,000 Hindu men were murdered and 20,000 young Hindu girls were enslaved and dispatched to Khalifa in Baghdad.

16. Akbar was the slaughterer of Hindus. Jahangir, in his autobiography "Tarikh-i-Salim Shahi" wrote that under Akbar and Jahangir "five to six hundred
thousand (over half a million) Hindus were killed." (Tarikh-i-Salim: Translated By Price, pp. 225-6). In Akbar's military conquest of Chittor in the State
of Rajasthan, Abul Fazl recorded that "on Akbar's orders, eight thousand Rajput warriors were first disarmed and then slain; along with them forty thousand
peasants also were slain." (The Islamic treatment of PoW, Surah 8, Ayat 67, the Quran) (Akbarnama by Abul Fazl translated into English by H. Beveridge)

We can go on and on and on… with the never-ending saga of Muslim misdeeds against the Hindus. Hindus may not have readily available with them the specific
details of the each one of the above acts of extreme Muslim brutality. The Hindu 'secular' leadership also takes extreme pains to ensure that the endless
tails of Muslim atrocities… against the Hindus… do not get recalled, remembered, written, memorialized, entered in history books, or spoken from the public

But the naked truth is that the painful wounds of Muslim savagery, treachery, betrayal, deceit, dishonesty, disloyalty, duplicity… on the naïve Hindu psyche…
are too numerous to count and too deep to heal.

These painful sores of history – the distant past and still ongoing – have traumatized the Hindus so much and for so long that they just cannot be healed,
nor can their memory be completely erased from the Hindu subconscious mind. Hindu mind will continue to be haunted and tortured at the slightest glimpse
of the classic pattern of Muslim dishonesty and betrayal.

Does Mr.Sadiq need any more reasons, any more examples, to explain why Hindus don't trust Muslims and why they appear to be angry at Muslims?


Over 400,000 Kashmiri Hindu pundits were kicked out from their homes in Indian soil of Kashmir, by fanatic Muslim hoodlums, while none of the Muslim terrorists
have been kicked out from India, for vote bank politics. This called Justice congress style. !!

After all, the ancestors of the current crop of islamists were all Hindus just 8 centuries ago -- a simple reality that should be recognized by all. What
are the chances the islamist terrorists will accept this reality? If this happens, it could open up a new opportunity for paraavartan -- home-coming to
sanatana dharma.

Pakistani Muslim hoodlum have set up mini Pakistan, on the Indian soil of Kashmir, Our Indian governments remained silent when over 400,000 Kashmiri Hindu pundits were kicked out from Kashmir.Similarly, Bangladeshi criminals have invaded many Indian cities, brcause of our impotent and ineffective laws.

Our government has failed to punish Muslim terrorists like Afzal Guru, which has encouraged Muslim terrorists to continue their evil, destructive activities
in India.


Indian government must pass strict, effective laws, that will deal with terrorists and anti Indian elements on Indian soil.

How long we will tolerate impotent rules in our country, which can not protect innocent citizens of India.!!


On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 8:35 PM, sadiq thaver wrote:

Let me explain a few Misunderstanding that you have regarding Islam.,

1] Islam doesn't support terrorism.when Muslims meet each other they say 'Sal am Alaikum' which means peace be be upon you.thus there is no point in saying that such people will harm each other.

2] IMAM Husein [PEACE BE UPON HIM] THE GRANDSON OF HOLY PROPHET Muhammad [PEACE BE UPON HIM] sacrificed himself and his family members and defeated Yazid [May ALLAH'S curse be on him ] once King of Syria of the Omayyad Empire around 1400 years ago who was known for his ill acts [terrorism] only to prove that Islam is against terrorism.

3] People who claim kill innocents and claim that they are followers of Islam are only lying to themselves
4] Islam says that if a person supports terrorism even in a then he is destined to hell
5] Islam says that every one irrespective of caste,creed, colour,religion has the right to stay in peace.

6] Muslims have even prohibited the burial of the kion!1illed terrorist in their own grave yard ,what else can a Muslim do to prove himself and his religion

7] N religion supports terrorism whether it is Islam or Hinduism.

Best Regards Always,
Sadiq Thaver.
The value of every good thing is often realised when its taken away!

--- On Fri, 2/1/09, Sriram Savarkar wrote:

From: Sriram Savarkar
Subject: [The Powerup India Group] A strategy to deter terrorism
To: "Sriram Savarkar"
Date: Friday, 2 January, 2009, 1:11 AM

A strategy to deter terrorism

India is today infested with a host of terrorist insurgencies: JKLF, SIMI, ULFA, the PWG, the Maoists, the Naxalites, the Tripura TNA, the Naga terrorists, the Manipur terrorists et al.. They can all be crushed quickly but for one factor: the support they get them from Pakistan and Bangladesh. Pakistan's support is via the ISI, a wing of its army, which also fakes Indian currency to finance such activities.

Pakistani involvement is not because its civil society wants it, but because of the Islamic fervour in the army that is not reconciled to the defeat of its forces in Bangladesh.

The same fervour has turned the Bangladesh establishment against India, and hence with the help of the ISI, al Qaeda has through its Indonesian wing established a base to help these terrorists and also to develop the HuJI, which is emerging as the human infrastructure of terrorists in India.

Thus, Islam is the heart and Pakistan is the brain of terrorism in India.Challenging Islam in the realm of ideas, without diluting the debate with secular platitudes, jamming the brain of terror and destroying its human infrastructure embedded in India, is the core of a strategy to deter terrorism.

This means sanitising Pakistan and truncating Bangladesh.Prominent national security analysts have argued that in countering terrorist threats, deterrent strategies as formulated for conventional warfare have no significant role to play.

The US President's National Security Strategy document states,
"Traditional concepts of deterrence will not work against a terrorist enemy." Of course, I am not concerned here with "traditional concepts" but with new ideas to combat the new form of warfare — clandestine violence under the name of terrorism.

The overwhelming consensus against the efficacy of deterrence has now been challenged by two US-based scholars, Robert Trager and Desseslava Zagorcheva [in Deterring Terrorism – It can be Done, International Security Journal (Harvard-MIT, Vol.30, No.3, 2006)]. According to them, the case against the use of deterrence strategies in counterterrorist campaigns appears to rest on three pillars.

terrorists are thought to be irrational, and therefore unresponsive to the cost-benefit calculation required in successful deterrence.

many terrorists are said to be so highly motivated that they are willing to die, and so not deterred by fear of punishment or of anything else.

even if terrorists were afraid of punishment, they cannot be deterred because they lack or have a shifting "return address" on which retaliation can be visited.. Counter terrorist strategies that advocate addressing "root causes" such as by "winning hearts and minds", economic packages and promoting human rights, are for the long run. The required cure is for the short run.

Trager and Zagorcheva argue nevertheless that even the most highly motivated terrorists can be deterred by holding at risk the political goals of their patrons and financiers.

My view is that
the ability of a terrorist-targeted nation to put political goals of the patrons of the terrorists and their benefactors at risk stands the best chance of deterring terrorism, and is the most important objective of counter-terrorism policy.

The structure of a counter-terrorism policy
must be nation-specific and terrorist organisation- centric. There cannot be a general global strategy of deterrence against terrorism.

Traditional view of deterrence
in strategic studies literature implies the scope for a bargain: both sides agree to cooperate on a state of affairs that both prefer to alternatives they face.

This is called cost-benefit analysis.

therefore, is not just about making threats; it is also about making offers. Deterrence by punishment is about finding the right combination of threat and offer.
it appears impossible that deterrence could hold at risk something of sufficient value to terrorists such that their behavior is affected.

This means
if the terrorists' motivation is high enough, then even a small probability of a successful operation and a high probability of punishment will not deter them.

because the interests of terrorists and the State seem so opposed, it appears impossible that the two sides could agree on a state of affairs that both prefer to that in which each does its worst against the other.

are highly irrational by mainstream norms,
but not completely.
A growing body of literature shows that terrorist groups usually have lexicographically ordered goals and choose their strategy accordingly.

States also have preferences over these same objectives.The preference orderings of objectives of terrorists and States are diametrically opposed therefore the question of deterrence becomes crucial.

the high levels of motivation often make terrorists more susceptible to a deterrence strategy that targets their political goals.Highly motivated terrorists, because they hold their political goals dear are reluctant to run even low level risks that hurt their political aims.

This magnifies the coercive leverage of strategies that target political ends.The Islamic terrorists in India have only one goal: to convert the Darul Harab India of today into the Darul Islam of tomorrow. Judging by the secret writings in circulation amongst clerics in Saudi Arabia, the Muslim clerics consider as unacceptable the failure of 800 years of Islamic rule in India to convert India into a 100 per cent Muslim nation.

Akhand Hindustan
could not be converted more than 25 per cent.
it was a passive victory of Hindus
and a blow to the imagined invincibility of Islam.

Islamic theologists consider
the US a meddling nation that is corrupting the social morals of Muslims; Israel represents a reversal of Islamic conquest of territory in West Asia by Jews who were hated by Prophet Mohammed; and Hindustan a challenge to the invincibility of Islam.

India has a huge population, and worse, has begun to develop quickly.

Thus India must be targeted by terrorising Hindus and making them submit. The mad mullahs are thus on a rampage, and we Hindus have to wake up to the real challenge of Mumbai 26/11 and all that preceded it.

The first lesson
to be learnt for tackling terrorism is that India recognise that the Hindu is the target, and that Muslims of South Asia are being programmed to slide into suicide against Hindus.

The recent al Qaeda videotapes in Bihar,
seeking recruits for terrorism against the "US-Israel-India axis", are an indication of this. It is to undermine the Hindu psyche and create fear of civil war that terror attacks are organised.

since the Hindu is the target, Hindus must collectively respond as Hindus against the terrorist and not feel isolated, or worse be complacent because he or she is not personally affected.

we have to have a collective mindset as Hindus to stand against the terrorist.

In this response,
Muslims and Christians of India can join the Hindus if they genuinely feel for the Hindu.
That they really do so feel cannot be believed unless they acknowledge with pride that though they may be Muslims or Christians, their ancestors are Hindus.

It is not easy for them
to acknowledge this ancestry even though that is the truth, because the Muslim Mullah and Christian Missionary would consider it as unacceptable according to the Koran and the Bible.

That realisation
of oneness with Hindus would also dilute the religious fervour of their faith and create a mental option for their possible re-conversion and return to Hinduism.

their religious leaders preach hatred and violence against the Kafir and the pagan, ie, the Hindu, to keep the faith of their followers.
still, if any Muslim or Christian does so acknowledge his or her Hindu legacy, then we Hindus can accept him or her as a part of the Brihad Hindu Samaj, which constitutes Hindustan.

India that is Hindustan
is thus a nation of Hindus and those others whose ancestors are Hindus.

Parsis and Jews in India have Hindu ancestors.Those who refuse to so acknowledge or those foreigners who become Indian citizens by registration can remain in India,
should not have voting rights.

The second lesson
is since demoralising the Hindu and undermining the Hindu foundation of India in order to destroy Hindu civilisation is the goal of terrorists, we must never capitulate and never concede any demand of terrorists.Terroris ts are encouraged by appeasement but never satisfied by it.

no matter how many Hindus have to die, the basic policy has to be: never yield to any demand of terrorists. That necessary resolve has not been shown in our recent history.
ever since we conceded Pakistan in 1947 under duress, we have been mostly yielding time and time again.

In 1989, to obtain the release of Mufti Mohammed Sayeed's daughter Rubaiya who had been kidnapped, five terrorists in Indian jails were set free by the V P Singh government.

To save Rubaiya
it was not necessary to surrender to terrorist demands.
the then government was capitulationist in outlook, or perhaps the then Home Minister was in cahoots with the terrorists, and hence did not explore them.

The third lesson
to be learnt is that however small the terrorist incident, the nation must retaliate — not by measured and "sober" responses but by massive retaliation.

Our Intelligence agencies tell me in private that we have proof of terrorist training camps in PoK and Bangladesh, and if that is so, we should bomb them by dispatching our air force.There is evidence that the FBI has presented to a district court in California of satellite photos that establish terror training camps exist near Balakot in northeast Pakistan.

Indian government claims proof which has not been made public of 57 camps in Pakistani held territory and 36 camps in Bangladesh.

Many are advising Hindus
to deal with the root "cause" of terrorism rather than eradicating terrorists by retaliation. And pray what is the root "cause"?

According to liberals, terrorists are born or bred because of illiteracy, poverty, oppression, and discrimination. They argue that instead of eliminating them, the root cause of these four disabilities in society should be removed. Only then will terrorism disappear.Liberals seek to deaden the emotive power of the individual and render him passive.

A nation-state cannot survive for long with such a mentality. The background of some of the world's most notorious Muslim terrorists shows that: Bin Laden, the son of a Saudi billionaire, studied engineering. His deputy Ayman al-Zawahri is an eye surgeon. The 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed graduated from an American college with an engineering degree.

Flight 93 pilot Ziad Jarrah's father is a Beirut bureaucrat who put his son through prep school. They didn't do what they did to escape poverty. Muslim fundamentalists have an education and an economic future, yet they still terrorise.

They're literate enough to liberally interpret their holy books, yet they still embrace jihad against Kafirs.The fourth lesson to learn is that more than the overt threat of the terrorists in India, the more sinister corrosion of our nation state occurs from within.

This corrosion provides 'a force multiplier' to the terrorists.Ultimate ly our inference must be that terrorist masterminds have political goals and a method in their madness.

An effective strategy to deter terrorism is therefore to defeat those political goals and to rubbish them by counterterrorist action.

Sriram Savarkar ©
Hinduism is more a way of life than a method of worship.
Dharmo Rakshati Rakshithaha
If you protect Dharma, Dharma will in turn protect you.
Hindus, If people slap you once, slap them twice!



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