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show details 2:55 PM (14 hours ago)


A very important distinction and prescription has been offered in
this commentary.

Many of us are mostly intellectually oriented aspirants who
continuously judge at our level of ignorance all teachers, teachings
and guidance based on our limited (not so enlightened) knowledge. As
a result we are quick to dismiss or look down on those who have
totally surrendered to and accepted their spiritual "Guru" as the
only unquestionable source of guidance. The latter are akin to the
true devotees who see no distinction between God and the guru and
begins to treat their guru as such, without question or qualms. We
who still are in the questioning stage are akin to the aspirants in
the Discipline of Knowledge who are enveloped with continued doubts,
mistrust and a self ego that we have better capability to judge the
ones who surpassed our level and are highly enlightened. We seem to
be unconsciously stuck in a rut of our own making because of our own
self-ego. The easier way out seems to be total devotion, following
the Discipline of Devotion (Bhakti) by surrendering to and letting
Krishna become the guide "Saarathi".

Comments are welcome from other Sadhaks.

In HIS Service with Love,
Bitthal Gujrati

Sadhak wrote:
To: Spiritual Group
From: Sadhak
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 06:06:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sadhaka] About the Need for a Teacher (Mar 6, 2008)

:Shree Hari:

6 March, 2008, Thursday
Falgun Krishna Trayodashi, Vikram Samvat 2064, Guruvar

In Gita 13:7, Lord Krishna talks about the twenty virtues to become
free of assumed identity and affinity with the body. Of them, one
is "Aacaaryopaasanam". A teacher who imparts knowledge and teaches
good precepts can also be called an Acharya and serving such a
teacher, one can be benefited. But here the term Acharya denotes a
liberated Soul. Bowing to him, paying reverence to him and serving
him with body, mind and speech, as prescribed by the scriptures, in
order to make him happy - this is also devotion and service to him.
But real service and devotion is making our lives according to his
principles and inner expressions. The service rendered to the body
conscious person can be rendered simply by doing things for the
body, for a realized Soul, simply rendering service to the body, is
not real and complete service.

In the Gita, in discipline of devotion, there is not a mention
of "Aacaaryopaasanam", it has only been covered in the Discipline of
Knowledge. In this it reveals a very important secret. There is not
as much need of a preceptor, in the Discipline of Devotion as there
is in the Discipline of Knowledge. Because a devotee, following the
path of devotion, entirely depends on God. So the Lord Himself, by
His grace, provides gain and security to him (Gita 9:22), and
removes all difficulties and obstacles (Gita 18:58) and enables him
to behold the Divine presence, within himself (Gita 10:11) and
attain essential knowledge. But in the Discipline of Knowledge, a
spiritual aspirant relies on his own strength and abilities in
perfroming his spiritual practices, therefore some very subtles
flaws remain in him. Such as occasionally affected by pleasure and
pain, when spontaneously addressed by his name, unconsciously he
still thinks that he is a person and remains established
in the body, he forgets his true self in sleep, also he thinks he is
superior when he keeps good company and does good work.

In this manner, a spiritual aspirant regards his imperfect knowledge
as perfect. Thus the Lord by the term "Acharyopaasanam" wants to
emphasize the fact that a spiritual aspirant following the path of
knowledge, should practice spiritual discipline under the guidance
of a teacher.

From "The Bhagavad Gita - Sadhak Sanjivani" in Hindi page 847 and in
English pg 1447 by Swami Ramsukhdasji

Ram Ram

For full online discourses in Hindi, please visit Swami
Ramsukhdasji's website.

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sadhak_insight to gita-talk

show details 3:55 AM (1 hour ago)


Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!
Wouldn't it be more appropriate to say we are/should be after TRUTH of
ourselves, the world and God? Does it matter how we arrive there? Why
should we establish one path being superior over others. Should one
approach apply equally well to all of us?
To me there are two main paths/approaches: path in which self-inquiry
(GyanYog) is predominent while being engaged in actions; path in
which Self-less Karma(KarmaYog) is predominent. Both of these are to
be pursued with total Devotion without which they may not bear
intended fruits. None can escape karmas, but being free of sense of
doership-kartabhav can happen in Bhakta, Gyani, and Karma Yogi
Abscence of doership is "The Realization that I as body-mind based
individual, called ego, am not the doer but an instrument of Supreme
Consciousness-God". It is important to note that God in this context
is all of us together, points to ONE Totality, ONE Intelligence that
works through people, animals, so called insentient nature, and all
that is unmanifest.
Thus being an instrument is not a fatalistic view of the life,
alleged as "do-nothing attitude" by many who think themselves as
In reality, whether we consider such a realized person a Bhakta
(Meera, Tulsi, Nanak) or gyani(Shankara, Kabir, Ramana, Krishnamurti)
or KarmYogi(Arjuna, Gandhi, Mother Teressa), it doesn't matter to
her/him a bit because there is a total absence of "person" there. In
otherwords, there is no "gyani", there is only manifest Consciousness
experienced as Gyan-Devotion-Truth-Sat-Chit-Ananda.
Similarly there is no "Bhakta", there is only an experience of Bhakti-
Being, also Sat-Chit-Ananda!. Gyani and Bhakta are practical
conventions for communication, not reality of our experience.

If a trace of self consciousness(ego) remains then Bhakta or Gyani or
Karma Yogi all have their sadhana incomplete. SO the paths are not as
important as the goal they promise, so to speak!

Let us uphold all approaches to Truth.
For all such ardent Sadhakas willing to give up anything of the
world, Teacher appears in different forms of Teaching! Our
responsibility is to be sincere Disciple, the only thing we can be!
With namaskar .....Pratap
(Pratap Bhatt)
There was no Guru sitting between Krishna and Arjuna when Divine
dialogue of Geeta started.

Dilip Mehta
Dear Sadaks,
First let us know from saints who were teachers.
A Guru is told in many places from Geetha- Sadana Panchakam- Yoga
Vasista- Manasa Panchakam and by saints such as Alwars, Nayanmars,

Almost all scripts and saints have said similar. What? A Sat Guru
talks only about athma Gyana, never keeps more than 2 pairs of
clothes, lives only on Bhikshaa (or Unjavirthi, collecting food for
the day ONLY in 5 houses), does not possess wealth as ashram, does
not form trust, does see everyone alike, is never ever angry, leads
spiritual aspirants in Gyana/Bakthi Marg (towards realizing God /
Self, not following him). These are the qualities of SAT GURU.

Now the question comes from where one can get Sat Guru. Bagavan
Vishnu and Shiva says that Guru will be sent to you when you are ripe
in mind with detachments. Bagavan Shiva came as Guru for Namdev.
Tukaram, Ekanath etc, Alwars, Nayanmars went to persons and gave
updesh. Narada went to Durva, prahalada, and downtroden. Budha, Adi
Sankara had disciples but were close to one or two.

Scearching for Guru may end up wasted time or getting caught with
Maya Sanyasi. One can see nowadays so many saffrin clothed peoples.
Many wear gold watches, has septacle box gold plated, saffrin cloth
of glitter and shine, demands car when invited, delivers wonderful
lectures etc, but much attached to many people by cell phone. Some
sanyasins have many phones. Sat Guru has deep preference for
solitude. They know who is ripe baktha (may be from Schedule caste)
and guide that person. One can see this from almost all saints.
Attaining God is little easier than finding a Sat Guru.

In divine sloka- Vasudevam Sutam devam------ ends with Sri Krishnam
Vande JADGATH GURUM. The pala of this sloka at end says- Koti Jalma
vinasyathi (thousands of birth karmas goes away by memorising)
If one say he is spiritual, the other asks "have you seen God"
and "then show me". GOD is attainable ONLY by Gyana says upanashids,
Gurus, scripts. God is Apprameyam Means God is NOT object to be shown.
Slowly practice to become free of desires, deeply avoid anger, do not
be miserly, do not have disparity, carefully watch where all EGO
arises, meditate on GOD, do Nava rasa Bakthi, never scold anyone,
have no jealousy, love all in this creation and you are sure to get

NO amount of poojas, meditations, temple visits will serve the
purpose if you possess Dur Guna. I am not saying this. Bagavan Sri
Krishna, Shiva, saints, recently by Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,
Ramana Rishi, Tapovan Maharaj, Pagal Baba, Sathya Sai etc. One can
know clearly from Geetha ,"Chetram and Chetrangniyan" meaning.
Sanakadhi munes are manasha Brama puthras. These saints had abilty to
travel to any world Vykunt, Kailaya etc. But they said,' We have
learnt all vedas, upanashids, and scripts, but unable to put those
values in practice.

Bhramaji created a very beatiful woman to deceive a demon. After
creation HE was not looking at the lady. The lady asked, "Why oh lord
you are not looking at me". Bhrama replied," your beauty should not
polute my mind".
Bagavan Shiva did penance on this earth. Manmada was sent to disturb
Shiva who burnt Manmada. Bagavan Visnu did tapas in Badrinath. Indra
sent his dancer to distrube HIS tapas. Bagavan Vishnu from his lap
gave one more lady(I think Menaka) as gift to Indra and put him in
shame. Naradha said to Bagavan Sri Krishna, "oh bagavan, your visnu
maya will not disturb me". The result Naradha was in family life, he
gave birth to children, lost husband and finally when He(She) lost
ego Bagavan rescued naradha.

A beatiful prostitute came to Tukaram who said on looking at
her, "Oh Matha Rukumayi, why you came alone without Sri Panduranga".
The prostitute turned a saint. Similar incidents took place to many
Many know Baktha Gora who chopped his hands for Panduranga because
his wives touched him. That is why Bagavan came to Gora`s house and
worked as servant. Same as in case of Sant Sakubai, Vilvamagal swamy,
Sri Andal, Kurur Amma, Narayana Batadri etc.
One needs sincere love of GOD, to shed tears on listening divine
stories, stick to dharmic way of life and remain silent- GURU does
come to you.

Thank u all for telling me what is wrong and what is good for me.
Really, I'm really thankful to you all n Swamiji on this help. I
wanted to know one thing, that is this necessary for me to make some
one my guru for my spiritual upliftment ?

I mean as it is regularly said that (Bin guru gyan kahan se paun).
But how can i find a true guru in this world where it is not easy to
find someone with gyan ?
And i want to know . What is meditation which is used by all of you
many times which have to be done in the evening and morning. How is
it done? Can it be done at workplace or at home or purely it is done
in a temple or park?

Please teach me anyone if you can. I'm new to all this untill now i
only visited satsangs and dont know anything about it. Jai Ram Ji Ki.


praveen taneja


At 4:07 PM, Blogger steveshap said...

The Necessity of the Guru
(my subtitle)
Doubt of the Guru

(The psychological limitations of the first three stages of life)


Spiritually Realized Adepts (or Transmission-Masters, or true Gurus and Sat Gurus) are the principal Sources, Resources, and Means of the esoteric (or Spiritual) Way. This fact is not (and never has been) a matter of controversy among real Spiritual practitioners.

The entire Spiritual Way is a process based on the understanding (and the transcending) of attention, or the understanding (and the transcending) of the inevitable and specific results of attachment to, or reaction to, or identification with every kind of conditional object, other, or state. This Spiritual understanding (or real self-understanding) is expressed in a simple traditional formula (and prescription for practice): You become (or duplicate the qualities of) whatever you meditate on (or whatever you identify with via the "surrender" that is attention itself). Since the most ancient days, this understanding has informed and inspired the practice of real practitioners of the Spiritual Way. Likewise (since the most ancient days), and on the basis of this very understanding, Spiritual practitioners have affirmed that the Great Principle of Spiritual practice is Satsang, or the practice of life as self-surrender to the bodily Person, the Transmitted Spiritual Presence, and the Realized State of a Spiritually Realized Adept (or true Guru, or Sat-Guru) of whatever degree or stage.

The traditional term "Guru" (spelled with a capital means "One Who Reveals the Light and thereby Liberates beings from Darkness". This term is also commonly (or popularly) interpreted in a general (or everyday) sense (and spelled with a small "g") to mean "teacher" (or anyone who teaches anything at all to another). Thus, Adepts have certainly (and rightly) been valued simply (or in the general sense) as (small "g") "gurus" (that is, simply because they can instruct others about many things, including the Spiritual Way). However, the function of instruction (about anything at all) can be performed by anyone who is properly informed (or even by a book that is properly informed)and, indeed, even the specific function of Spiritual Instruction is secondary to the Great Function of the Adept (As Guru, with a capital "G", and, in the Greatest of cases As Sat-Guru).

Adepts inevitably (or, at least, in the majority of cases) Instruct (or Teach) others, but the function of Instruction (about the Spiritual Way) is then passed on through good books (containing the authentic Word of Teaching), and through informed others (who are, hopefully, true practitioners), and so forth. The Great Function of the Adept Guru (and especially the Sat-Guru) is, however, specific only to Adepts themselves, and this is the Guru-Function (and the Guru-Principle) supremely valued by Spiritual practitioners since the most ancient days.

The specific Guru-Function is associated with the Great Principle of Satsang (and the unique Spiritual understanding of attention). Therefore, since the most ancient days, all truly established (or real) Spiritual practitioners have understood that Satsang Itself is the Great Means for Realizing Real God, or Truth, or Reality. That is to say, THE Great Means (or Secret) of Realization in the Spiritual Way is to live in, or to spend significant time in, or otherwise (and constantly) to give attention to the Company, Form, Presence, and State of an Adept who is (truly) Realized in one or another of either the advanced or the ultimate stages of life.

The Essence of the practice of Satsang is to focus attention on (and thereby to, progressively, become Identified with, or Realize Indivisible Oneness with) the Realized Condition of a true Adept (especially an Adept Sat-Guru, or One Who presently and constantly In Samadhi). Therefore, the practice of Satsang is the practice of ego-transcending Communion (and, Ultimately, Indivisible Oneness) with the Adept's own Condition, Which Is (according to the degree or stage of the Adept's characteristic Realization) Samadhi Itself, or the Adept's characteristic (and Freely, Spontaneously, and Universally Transmitted) Realization (Itself).

Based on the understanding of attention (or the observation that Consciousness Itself, in the context of the body-mind, tends to identify with, or becomes fixed in association with, whatever attention observes, and especially with whatever attention surrenders to most fully), the Spiritual Motive is essentially the Motive to transcend the limiting capability of attention (or of all conditional objects, others, and states). Therefore, the traditional Spiritual process (as a conventional technique, begun in the context of the fourth stage of life) is an effort (or struggle) to set attention (and, thus, Consciousness Itself) Free by progressively relinquishing attachment and reaction to conditional objects, others, and states (and, Ultimately, this process requires the Most Perfect transcending of egoity, or self-contraction itself, or all the egoic limitations associated with each and all of the first six stages of life).

This conventional effort (or struggle) is profound and difficult, and it tends to progress slowly. Therefore, some few adopt the path of extraordinary self-effort (or a most intense struggle of relinquishment), which is asceticism (or the method of absolute independence). However; the Adepts themselves have, since the most ancient days, offered an alternative to mere (and, at best, slowly progressing) self-effort. Indeed, the Adept-Gurus (and especially the Sat-Gurus) offer a Unique Principle of practice (as an alternative to the conventional principle of mere and independent self-effort and relinquishment). That Unique Principle is the Principle of Supreme Attraction.

Truly, the bondage of attention to conditional objects, others, and states must be really transcended in the Spiritual Way, but mere self-effort (or struggle with the separate, and separative, self) is a principle that originates in (and constantly reinforces) the separate (and separative) self (or self-contraction, or e goity itself). Therefore, the process of the real transcending of bondage to conditions is made direct (and truly ego-transcending) if the principle of independent self-effort (or egoic struggle) is at least progressively replaced by the responsive (or cooperative) Principle of Supreme Attraction (Which Is, in Its Fullness, Satsang, or responsive devotional Identification with the Free Person, Presence, and State of One Who Is Already Realized, or In Samadhi).

On the basis of the simple understanding of attention expressed in the formula: You become (or Realize) What (or Who) you meditate on the ancient Essence of the Spiritual Way is to meditate on (and otherwise to grant feeling-attention to) the Adept-Guru (or Sat-Guru), and (thereby) to be Attracted (or Grown) beyond the self-contraction (or egoity, or all the self-limiting tendencies of attention, or all self-limiting and self-binding association with conditional objects, others, and states). Through sympathetic (or responsive) Spiritual Identification with the Samadhi State of a Realizer, the devotee is Spiritually Infused and (potentially, and Ultimately) even Perfectly Awakened by the Inherently Attractive Power of Samadhi Itself. (Even the simplest beginner in practice may be directly Inspired and, thus, moved toward greater practice, true devotion, and eventual Perfect Awakening by sympathetic response to the Free Sign, and the Great Demonstration, of a true Realizer.) And, by the Great Spiritual Means that Is true Satsang (coupled with a variety of disciplines and practices, which should be associated with real self-understanding), the fully prepared devotee of a true Realizer may Freely (or with relative effortlessness) relinquish (or Grow Beyond) the limits of attention in each of the progressive stages of life that, in due course, follow upon that devotion.

Of course , actual Spiritual Identification with the Realized Spiritual Condition (or Samadhi) of an Adept is limited by the stage of life of the devotee, the effective depth of the self-understanding and the ego-transcending devotional response of the devotee, and the stage of life and Realization of the Adept. And some traditions may (unfortunately) tend to replace (o; at least, to combine) the essential and Great Communion that is true Satsang with concepts and norms associated with the parent-child relationship, or the relationship between a king and a frightened subject, or even the relationship between a slave-master and a slave. However, this Great Principle (or Means) that Is Satsang (rightly understood and truly practiced) is the ancient Essence (or Great Secret) of the Spiritual Way and true Adept-Gurus (and especially the Sat-Gurus) have, therefore, since the most ancient days, been the acknowledged principal Sources and Resources (as well as the principal Means) of true religion (or effective religious Wisdom) and the esoteric tradition of Spiritual Realization.

Particularly in more modern days, since Spirituality (and everything else) has become a subject of mass communication and popularization, the Spiritual Way Itself has become increasingly subject to conventional interpretation and popular controversy. In the broad social (or survival) context of the first three stages of life, self-fulfillment (or the consolation of the ego) is the common ideal (tempered only by local, popular, and conventional political, social, and religious ideals, or demands). Therefore, the common mood is one of adolescent anti authority and anti-hierarchy (or "Oedipal anti-"parent"), and the common search is for a kind of ever-youthful (and "Narcissistic") ego-omnipotence and ego-omniscience.

The popular egalitarian (or ego-based, and merely, and competitively, individualistic) "culture" (or, really, anti-culture) of the first three stages of life is characterized by the politics of adolescent rebellion against "authority" (or the perceived "parent", in any form). Indeed, a society (or any loose collective) of mere individuals does not need, and cannot even tolerate, a true culture because a true culture must, necessarily, be characterized (in its best, and even general, demonstrations, and, certainly, in its aspirations) by mutual tolerance, cooperation, peace, and profundity. Therefore, societies based on competitive individualism, and egoic self-fulfillment, and mere gross-mindedness (or superficial-mindedness) actually destroy culture (and all until-then-existing cultures, and cultural adaptations). And true cultures (and true cultural adaptations) are produced (and needed) only when individuals rightly and truly participate in a collective, and, thus and thereby (even if, as may sometimes, or especially in some cases, be the case, in relative, or even actual, solitude), live in accordance with the life-principle of ego-transcendence and the Great Principle of Oneness (or Unity).

In the popular egalitarian (or ego-based, and merely, and competitively, individualistic) "culture" (or, really, anti-culture) of the first three stages of life, the Guru (and the Sat-Guru) and the developmental culture of the Spiritual Way are (with even all of "authority" and of true, or ego-transcending, culture) taboo, because every individual limited (or egoically defined) by the motives of the first three stages of life is at war with personal vulnerability and need (or the feeling of egoic insufficiency). However, the real Spiritual process does not even begin until the egoic point of view of the first three stages of life is understood (or otherwise ceases to be the limit of aspiration and awareness) and the ego-surrendering and ego-transcending Motive of the fourth stage of life begins to move and change the body-mind (from the heart).

Those who are truly involved in the ego-surrendering and ego-transcending process of the advanced and the ultimate stages of life are (fundamentally) no longer at war with their own Help (or struggling toward the ultimate victory of the ego). Therefore, it is only in the non-Spiritual (or even anti-Spiritual) "cultural" domain of the first three stages of life (or the conventional survival-culture, bereft of the Motive of truly developmental and Spiritual culture) that the Guru (or the Sat-Guru) is, in principle, taboo. And, because that taboo is rooted in adolescent reactivity and egoic willfulness (or the yet unresolved emotional, and psychological, and even emotional-sexual rebellion against childish and asexual, or emotionally and sexually ego-suppressing, dependence on parent-like individuals and influences), "anti Guruism", and even "anti-cultism" which (characteristically, and without discrimination) denigrate, and defame, and mock, or otherwise belittle, all authorities and (also) even all the seed-groups of newly emerging cultural movements (whether or not they have positive merit)are forms (or expressions) of what Sigmund Freud described as an "Oedipal" problem.

In the common world of mankind, it is yet true that most individuals tend (by a combination of mechanical psycho-physical tendencies and a mass of conventional political, social, and cultural pressures) to be confined to the general point of view associated, developmentally, with the unfinished (or yet to be understood) "business" of the first three stages of life. Thus, in the common world of mankind, even religion is (characteristically) reduced to what is intended to serve the "creaturely" (or "worldly"), and rather aggressively exoteric, point of view and purposes of egoity in the context of the first three stages of life. And even if an interest in the esoteric possibilities (beyond the first three stages of life) develops in the case of any such yet rather "worldly" character, that interest tends to be pursued in a manner that dramatizes and reinforces the point of view (and the exoteric, and either childishly or adolescently egoic, inclinations) characteristic of the first three stages of life.

Until there is the development of significantly effective self-understanding relative to the developmental problems (or yet unfinished "business") associated with the first three stages of life, any one who aspires to develop a truly esoteric religious practice (necessarily beginning in the context of the fourth stage of life) will, characteristically, tend to relate to such possible esoteric practice in either a childish or an adolescent manner. Thus, any one whose developmental disposition is yet relatively childish (or tending, in general, to seek egoic security via the dramatization of the role of emotionalistic dependency) will tend to relate to esoteric possibilities via emotionalistic (or, otherwise, merely enthusiastic) attachments, while otherwise (in general) tending to be weak in both the responsible exercise of discriminating intelligence and the likewise responsible exercise of functional, practical, relational, and cultural self discipline (Indeed, such childish religiosity, characterized by dependent emotionalism, or mere enthusiastic attachment, bereft of discrimination and real self-discipline, is what may rightly, without bad intentions, be described and criticized as "cultism".) And any one whose developmental disposition is yet relatively adolescent (or tending, in general, to seek egoic security via the dramatization of the role of reactive independence) will tend to relate to esoteric possibilities via generally "heady" (or willful, rather mental, or even intellectual, or bookish, but not, altogether truly intelligent) efforts, accompanied either (or even alternately) by a general lack of self-discipline (and a general lack of non-reactive emotional responsiveness) or by an exaggerated (abstractly enforced, and more or less life-suppressing and emotion-suppressing) attachment to self-discipline. (Therefore, such adolescent, or "heady", religiosity merely continues the dramatization of the characteristic adolescent search for independence, or the reactive pursuit of escape from every kind of dependency, and, altogether; the reactive pursuit of egoic self-sufficiency. And such adolescent seeking is inherently and reactively disinclined toward any kind of self-surrender. Therefore, the rather adolescent seeker tends to want to be his or her own "guru" in all matters. And, characteristically, the rather adolescent seeker will resist, and would even prefer to avoid, a truly intelligent, rightly self-disciplined, and, altogether; devotionally self-surrendered relationship to a true Guru , or Sat Guru.)

Because of their developmental tendencies toward either childish or adolescent ego-dramatizations, those who are yet bound to the point of view (or the unfinished "business") of the first three stages of life are, developmentally (or in their characteristic disposition, not yet relieved by sufficient self-understanding), also (regardless of their presumed "interest") not yet truly ready to enter into the esoteric process (beyond the first three stages of life). And, for the same developmental reasons, the principal and most characteristic impediments toward true participation in the esoteric religious process are "cultism" (or mere emotionalistic dependency, bereft of discrimination and self-discipline), "intellectualism" (or merely mental, or even bookish, preoccupation, disinclined to fully participatory, or directly experiential, involvement in the esoteric religious process), and "anti Guruism" (or reactive attachment to a state of egoic independence, immune to the necessity for devotional self-surrender and the Grace of Great Help).

It is not the specific (and Great) Function of the Adept to fulfill a popular Spiritual (otherwise, non -Spiritual) role in common (or egoic and early stage) society, but to Serve as Teacher, Guide, Spiritual Transmitter, or Free Awakener in relation to those who are already (and rightly) moved (and progressively prepared) to fulfill the ego-transcending obligations of the Great and (soon) Spiritual Way Itself (in the potential developmental context that is beyond the first three stages of life). The only proper relationship to such a Realized Adept (or true Guru, or Sat-Guru) is, therefore, one of real and right and ego-surrendering and ego-transcending practice, and that practice becomes (or must become) Inspired (and, soon, Spiritually Inspired) and ego-transcending devotion not childish egoity (or "cultic" dependency), and not adolescent egoity (or willful or, otherwise, ambivalent independence).

Of course, individuals in the earlier (or first three) stages of life who are not yet actively oriented (or, otherwise, rightly adapted) to ego-surrendering and ego-transcending practice may be Served by Adept-Gurus (or Sat-Gurus), but (apart from special instances where an Adept must Work directly with such individuals, in order to establish a new community of devotees , or in order to establish a new Revelation of the Spiritual Way) those not yet actively oriented (or actively committed), or (otherwise) rightly adapted, to truly ego-surrendering and really ego-transcending practice are generally (except perhaps for occasional glimpses of the Adept in his or her Free Demonstration) Served (or prepared for ego-surrendering, ego-transcending, and, soon, Spiritual practice) only through the written (or otherwise recorded) Teachings of an Adept, and through the public institutional work (and the "outer Temple", or beginner-serving, institutional work) of the practicing devotees of an Adept.

The Realized Adept (or any true Guru, or Sat-Guru) is, primarily, an esoteric Figure, whose unique Function Serves within the context of the advanced and the ultimate stages of life. The advanced and the ultimate stages of life are themselves open only to those who are ready, willing, and able to make the truly developmental (or progressively Real-God-Realizing, or Truth-Realizing, or Reality-Realizing) sacrifice of separate and separative self that is necessary in the context of the advanced and the ultimate stages of life. Therefore, the necessity (and the True Nature and Great Function) of a Realized Adept (or true Guru, or Sat-Guru) is obvious (and of supreme value) only to those who are ready, willing, and able to embrace the Ordeal of the advanced and the ultimate stages of life.

Except for the possible moments in which the Divine Person (or the Ultimate Reality and Truth) may (for some few) Serve (temporarily, and, to whatever degree, significantly, and, in any case, never to the Most Ultimate, or Most Perfect, degree) in (or via) a nonphysical (and/or perhaps even non-human) Revelation-Form, the Realized Adept (or a human and living true Guru, or, especially, a human and living true Sat-Guru, or, at least, a human and living true, and formally Acknowledged, Appointed, and Blessed, devotee Agent of a once living, or even, perhaps, yet living, and, certainly, yet Spiritually Effective, true Sat-Guru) is an absolute (and never obsolete) necessity for any and every human being who would practice (and Realize) within the esoteric (or advanced and ultimate) stages of life. Therefore, the necessity (and the True Nature and Great Function) of a Realized Adept (or true Guru, or Sat-Guru) is inherently (and gratefully) obvious to any one and every one who is truly ready, willing, and able to embrace the esoteric Ordeal of Real-God-Realization (or Truth-Realization).

Any one and every one who doubts and quibbles about the necessity (and the True Nature and ( Function) of a true Adept-Guru (or Adept Sat-Guru) is, simply, not yet ready, willing, and able to enter the esoteric (and, necessarily, ego-surrendering) Ordeal of advanced and the ultimate stages of life. And no mere verbal (or otherwise exoteric) argument is sufficient to convince such doubters of the necessity (and the True Nature and Great Function) of a true Adept-Guru (or Adept Guru), just as no mere verbal (or otherwise exoteric) argument is sufficient to make them ready, willing, and able to truly embrace the ego-surrendering esoteric Ordeal oi advanced and the ultimate stages of life.

Those who doubt the Guru-Principle, and the unique value and ultimate necessity of the Adept-Guru (or Adept Sat-Guru), are those for whom the Great and (Spiritual Way Itself is yet in doubt. Therefore, such matters remain "controversial" (and access to the Spiritual Way the Adept-Company is effectively denied to ordinary people by popular taboos and the psychological limitations of the first three stages of life) until the truly developmental and (soon) Spiritual Motive Awakens the heart's Great Impulse to Grow Beyond.

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