Thursday, December 31, 2009


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[aryayouthgroup] Dr Naik’s “FAQ on Hinduism”
Agniveer Agni Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:39 AM
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In the concluding part of Dr Naik’s research on Hinduism, the self-proclaimed expert on religions provides an FAQ – Frequently Asked Questions on Hinduism. Its a relatively longer article and bulk of it is devoted to either represent the debates between various schools of thought in Hinduism for his own Islamic end, or to narrate wisdom of Quran.

Instead of analyzing the entire article, I shall provide review of selected portions. To test if the rice is cooked or not, we just take a few grains out of cooker and test. This is an established way of rejecting fraud as per Darshan Shastras.You can review the entire article at and laugh to your heart’s content.

I shall, as usual provide quotes from Dr Naik’s article and follow with comments in bold italics.

Dr Naik:

“When I was discussing with a Swami in IRF. He said that when our child asks us, “Why does the sky thunder?”, we reply that “aaee ma chakki pees rahi hai”, the grandmother is grinding flour in the heaven; because he is too young to understand. Similarly in the initial stages people require an idol for concentration.

In Islam we don’t believe in telling a lie, even if it’s a white lie. I will never give such a wrong answer to my child because later on when he goes to school and learns that the thundering sound after lightning is due to the expansion of rapidly heated air, he will either think that the teacher is lying or later on when he understands the fact he will conclude that the father is a liar. If you feel that the child may not understand certain difficult things you should simplify the answer rather than give a wrong fictitious reply. If you, yourself do not know the answer, you should have the guts to be truthful and say ‘I don’t know’. But many children nowadays will not be satisfied with this answer. If this answer was given to my son, he would say “Abba (father), why don’t you know?’ This will compel you to do your homework and thus educate yourself as well as your child.”

(1. While I agree that children should not be misled, this is a disease that came only after advent of foreigners. Before that most people used to be in gurukuls and used to learn sciences systematically.
2. But if in Islam, they do not believe in telling a white lie or giving wrong answer, Dr Naik should either re-read the very books he wants to establish as final version of God’s message, or admit that he himself has committed a sin by lying in this article, or admit that Allah himself lies. I shall now provide excerpts from Islamic texts on how they explain various phenomena.

A. What is plague?
Bukhari Volume 8, Book 77, Number 616:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
I asked Allah’s Apostle about the plague. He said, “That was a means of torture which Allah used to send upon whom-so-ever He wished, but He made it a source of mercy for the believers, for anyone who is residing in a town in which this disease is present, and remains there and does not leave that town, but has patience and hopes for Allah’s reward, and knows that nothing will befall him except what Allah has written for him, then he will get such reward as that of a martyr.”

Bukhari Volume 7, Book 71, Number 628:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Allah’s Apostle said, “(Death from) plague is martyrdom for every Muslim.”

Bukhari Volume 7, Book 71, Number 629:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “He (a Muslim) who dies of an abdominal disease is a a martyr, and he who dies of plague is a martyr.”


B. How to treat one from flies?
Pharmacies can sell the fly wings which has cure.
Bukhari Volume 7, Book 71, Number 673:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said, “If a fly falls in the vessel of any of you, let him dip all of it (into the vessel) and then throw it away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing (antidote for it) i e. the treatment for that disease.”

C. Fate written in womb already!
Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6, Number 315:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet said, “At every womb Allah appoints an angel who says, ‘O Lord! A drop of semen, O Lord! A clot. O Lord! A little lump of flesh.” Then if Allah wishes (to complete) its creation, the angel asks, (O Lord!) Will it be a male or female, a wretched or a blessed, and how much will his provision be? And what will his age be?’ So all that is written while the child is still in the mother’s womb.”

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 430:
Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Mus’ud:
Allah’s Apostle, said, ” a human being is put together in the womb of the mother in forty days, and then he becomes a clot of thick blood for a similar period, and then a piece of flesh for a similar period. Then Allah sends an angel who is ordered to write four things. He is ordered to write down his (i.e. the new creature’s) deeds, his livelihood, his (date of) death, and whether he will be blessed or wretched (in religion). Then the soul is breathed into him..”

D. Snake and Pregnancy
Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 527:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
The Prophet said, “Kill the snake with two white lines on its back, for it blinds the on-looker and causes abortion.”

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 528:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
The Prophet ordered that a short-tailed or mutilated-tailed snake (i.e. Abtar) should be killed, for it blinds the on-looker and causes abortion.”

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 529:
Narrated Abu Mulaika:
Prophet said, ‘Do not kill snakes except the short-tailed or mutilated-tailed snake with two white lines on its back, for it causes abortion and makes one blind. So kill it.’

E. How to know looks of baby?
“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Gabriel has just now told me of the answer. If a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and gets discharge first, the child will resemble him, and if the woman gets discharge first, the child will resemble her.’”

F. Why Babies cry?
Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 506:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “When any human being is born. Satan touches him at both sides of the body with his two fingers, except Jesus, the son of Mary, whom Satan tried to touch but failed, for he touched the placenta-cover instead.”

G. Spit is hygeinic

Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 188:

Narrated Ibn Shihab:
Mahmud bin Ar-Rabi’ who was the person on whose face the Prophet had ejected a mouthful of water from his family’s well while he was a boy, and ‘Urwa (on the authority of Al-Miswar and others) who testified each other, said, “Whenever the Prophet , performed ablution, his companions were nearly fighting for the remains of the water.”
You can review some more superstitions of islamic science by clicking this sentence.
The limited point to made by these examples is that Islam of Dr Naik is not as truthful or scientific as he would want us to believe. And as far as truth is concerned, Truth is considered the foremost virtue in Hinduism – be it any sect or school of thought. Hindus also do not have the concept of Taqiah as in Islam, which permits one to spread false in certain situations like destroying an enemy.)
Dr Naik:
“Hinduism is not the oldest of all the religions. It is Islam which is the first and the oldest of all religions. People have a misconception that Islam is 1400 years old and that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the founder of this religion. Islam existed since time immemorial, ever since man first set foot on this earth. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was not the founder of Islam. He was the last and final Messenger of Almighty God.”
(Any proofs for this? Do we have any literature of Islam prior to Quran? Is there anything before ths Vedas? Are there proofs to conclude that Muhammad was a messenger in first place, forget the case of his being last? Except what Muhammad is alleged to say in a Quran that even many Muslims refuse to accept as authentic, and was written 20 years after Muhammad’s death by his followers who were killing each other to prove Islam to be a religion of Peace!)
Dr Naik:
“For any religion to be pure and authentic, its scriptures should not contain any interpolation, addition, deletion or revision. Moreover the religion’s source of inspiration and direction should be Almighty God. The Qur’an is the only religious scripture on the face of the earth which has been maintained it its original form. All the other religious scriptures, of all the other religions have interpolations, additions, deletions or revisions. The Qur’an has been in the memory of a multitude of people, intact in its original form ever since its revelation, and now there are hundreds of thousands of people who have preserved it in their memory. Moreover, if you compare the copies made by Caliph Uthman from the original Qur’an which is yet present in the museum in Tashkent and in Koptaki museum in Turkey, they are the same as the ones we possess today.”

(1. I agree with the first two sentences. But rest is hoax. No text apart from Vedas can claim freedom from any scope of interpolations. This is not merely based on memory of people who mugged it, but also by a mechanism of 10 different ways of reciting it, which exactly match even today. The gurukuls teaching these Paatha vidhis are thriving till today. Even the Christian indologists who studied Vedas thoroughly, could not cite one single evidence to claim any kind of interpolation in Vedas. For more on this, please read Unchangeable Vedas.

2. No all sects of Islam believe Quran to be authentic. Many have even written their own Qurans. Some believe that original Quran was mutilated. Others believe that some verses in Quran are written by Satan who came in Muhammad once and narrated a few Ayats.

3. When was the original Quran made? Much after death of Muhammad. Further Quran did not reveal in one go. It was revealed throughout the life of Muhammad. And for first fifteen years, Muhammad had no resources to even write the Quran. Even the Ayat 2.106 of Quran itself admits that not everything can be remembered. Even the Arabic script was not developed that time and no Quran of Muhammad’s time exists.

4. Quran is supposed to be written by Muhammad’s followers after his death. Now these followers were killing each other for power, and included his beloved wife Aisha, whom he had married when she was 6 years old, and in whose company most Ayats were revealed. Many Muslims refuse to respect Aisha as an authentic person. How can one consider such people to have had capability to transmit Allah’s message of Peace without distortions?

5. Read this article for more details on this: Authenticity of Quran)
Dr Naik:
“A religion is best, if it has the solutions to the problems of mankind
For a religion to be considered the best, it should have the solution to all the problems of mankind. It should be the religion of truth, and should be applicable to all ages. Islam is the only religion which has the solution to all the problems of mankind. e.g. the problem of alcoholism, surplus women, rape and molestation, robbery, racism, casteism, etc.

Islam is the religion of truth, and its laws and solutions are applicable to all the ages. The Qur’an is the only religious book on the face of the earth, which has maintained its purity and authenticity proving itself to be the word of God in all the ages. i.e. previously, when it was the age of miracles, literature and poetry and in present times when it is the age of science and technology. Moreover, Islam is not a man-made religion, but a religion revealed and inspired by Almighty God. It is the only religion acceptable in His Sight.”
(1. I thought this was a FAQ on Hinduism. Anyways, before making such far-fetched claims, Dr Naik should decide which of the 73 sects of Islam is actually true Islam. Because rest will go to Hell as per Islamic hadiths. Refer 73 Sects of Islam and One True Jamaat

2. Also he should explain why Islam was revealed in a language which was neither the most popular language of world when Quran came, nor is it so today, nor it has been ever. In fact when Quran was revealed, even the script was not yet standardized and Muhammad had no resources to even document the Quran. The claim of authenticity is already debunked. Also why is it that any reference to the faith of more than 50% of population of world – Eastern philosophies not even referred to?

3. Can he cite one single country that follows version of Islam that Dr Naik wants us to believe as true islam, and then assess whether indeed Islam has solutions or not? Because all Islamic countries have an adverse gender ratio, non-tolerance for other faiths, issues of human rights etc. Science of islam has already been explored to some extent.

4. How does Dr Naik know that Islam is the only religion acceptable to God? If that be so, why could not God give Quran in a less confusing and more systematic manner than giving it to someone in bits and pieces throughout his poverty and then war-torn life, where it could not be even documented? And does not completely debar evils like marriage in close-family, marriage with small babies, slavery, polygamy etc which are proven to be disastrous from social and medical standpoint? Also the language was among least popular of world, and also not original language of world. I can well understand Quran to be a step towards progress of barbaric Arabic society. But can Dr Naik provide evidences to prove it final version of Allah’s message for all ages to come? (When even many sects of Islam refuse to believe so!)
Dr Naik: “The land used for burying a dead body can be reutilised for burying another body after a few years since the human body gets decomposed and mixed in the soil.”
(If that be so, why do Muslims create a permanent structure around the burial? Why do they constuct Kabras, Makbaras and memorials on places of death that remain unused for ages to come? The fact is that practice of burial permanently wastes land space. The practice of cremation ensures that neither does decaying body spread disease nor it occupies further place.)
Dr Naik: “Wearing a bindi or mangalsutra is a sign of Hindu women. The Islamic dress code does not permit a Muslim to wear any sign, symbol or mark which is specially significant of a non-Muslim.”
(Bindi or Mangalsutra is not a necessary sign for all Hindu women. It is of much recent origin and is not mentioned in ancient texts of rituals. It became famous as an aesthetic concept later. In fact it became more popular because of Islamic invasions. The evils of Purdah system and Sati also started from times when Muslim invaders would kill men and rape women. Even today, plight of Hindus in Bangladesh is well known. Thus Bindi and Mangalsutra became signs of married women to at least spare them from torment of invaders.
As far as Islamic dress code is concerned, that has been medically proven to cause Vitamin D deficiency in women of Muslim countries due to emphasis on covering all parts of body and staying indoors. Please refer to one of the several such medical research reports by clicking here.)
Dr Naik:
“Islamic Criminal Law is Most Practical
The Muslims in India alone cannot separately follow the Islamic Criminal Law without involving the Non-Muslims………..
Islam besides pointing out a crime, it also gives you a solution showing how to prevent the crime e.g. chopping the hands of a robber, death penalty for the rapist. The punishment is so severe that it is a deterrent for the criminal to commit the crime. He will think a hundred times before committing a crime.

Thus if crime has to be reduced or stopped in India the best solution is to implement ‘The Common Islamic Criminal Law’.”

(1. Any student of Law and Social studies would know how practical are the Islamic laws, especially those relating to slavery and women rights.

2. Dr Naik has deliberately chosen to highlight those aspects of Islamic law which may not cause that much dispute. Let him answer why even most Muslim countries refuse to implement Islamic Criminal law?
3. Would Dr Naik agree to have Islamic Criminal Law implemented when both the parties involved are Muslims? Forget about actual implementation, would he himself and IRF agree to punish themselves as per Islamic Criminal Law by their own choice? If that be so, a large number of lies stated by them have been exposed. Would they agree to punish themselves by chopping their hands off or other punishments for telling lies to public at large?
4. Islamic Law has been stated to be most practical. Could Dr Naik suggest what is so practical about stating that (evidence of two women = evidence of one man)?
5. Could he suggest what makes it so practical for a divorced couple to reunite without the wife having intercourse with another person and then taking Talaq from him?
6. Could he also enlighten what makes Islamic Law so practical that a rape victim will have to provide one male or two female eye-witnesses who have seen the act of organs by their own eyes. It sounds disgusting, but that is what Islamic Criminal Law states. Circumstantial evidences and testing do not count in case of rape!
7. Could he also guide why it is practical for a father to marry her baby-girl as per his wishes and it is legal to have relations if girl is above 9 years?
Visit on more on Islamic Criminal Law and Women. )
Dr Naik:
“Which prophet was sent to India?
Regarding the question of which prophet of God was sent to India, and can we consider Ram or Krishna to be prophets of God, there is no text in the Qur’an or Sahih Hadith mentioning the name of the prophet that was sent to India. Since the names of Ram and Krishna are nowhere to be found in the Qur’an and Sahih Hadith, one cannot say for sure whether they were prophets of God or not. Some Muslims, especially certain Muslim politicians who try to appease the Hindus, say Ram Alai-his-salaam, i.e. Ram, may peace be on him. This is totally wrong, since there is no authentic proof from the Qur’an and Sahih Hadith that he was a prophet of God. However, a person may say that perhaps they may have been the prophets of God.

Even if Ram and Krishna were prophets, today we have to follow the last Prophet of God i.e. Muhammad (pbuh)
Even if Ram and Krishna were prophets of God, they were only meant for people of that time and were to be followed only for that particular period of time. Today, all the human beings throughout the world, including India should only follow the last and final prophet and Messenger of God – prophet Muhammad (pbuh).”

(1. No text in Quran mentions Ram and Krishna because Muhammad was too ignorant of the traditions of the East in same way as Europe was ignorant of America before Columbus. Or else how could Allah have forgotten to mention about beliefs of more than 50% of world population then?

2. This is religious fundamentalism at peak. Only Prophet Muhammad is final Prophet and if you do not believe so you will burn in Hell forever! And if you believe, you will get 72 virgins and lot of fun in Paradise forever! But as I proved earlier, out of 73 sects of Islam, only one will reach Paradise, and rest will in any case burn in Hell, not to talk of non-Muslims. It seems that Allah has already decided that 99% of people would be in Hell. So let those loving humanity share the troubles of their fellow humans in Hell than enjoy the luxuries of Paradise alone!

3. As proven earlier, neither can Quran claim authenticity, nor can there be any way to assert that Muhammad and Quran are to be taken so seriously as Dr Naik would want us to take.

4. On contrary, Vedas do not force anyone to believe in Vedas or anything. One is given the liberty to explore, discover and only then accept anything. Blind faith and fear of Hell and lure of Heaven are not tactics employed to attract followership. Also one need not believe in any agent of God to achieve bliss.)
Dr Naik:

“The question that arises is “which revelation of God was sent to India and whether we can consider the Vedas and the other Hindu Scriptures to be the revelations of God?” There is no text in the Qur’an or Sahih Hadith mentioning the name of the revelation that was sent to India. Since the names of the Vedas or other Hindu scriptures are no where to be found in Qur’an and Sahih Hadith, one cannot say for sure that they were the revelations of God. They may be the revelation of God or may not be the revelation of God.

Even if the Veda was the word of God today you have to follow the Qur’an
Even if the Vedas and the other scriptures were the revelations from God, they were only meant for people of that time and were to be followed only for that particular period of time. Today all human beings through out the world including India should only follow the last and final Revelation of God, i.e. the Qur’an. Moreover since all the previous revelations were not meant to be followed for eternity, Almighty God did not preserve them in their original form. There is not a single religious scripture of any of the major religions which claims to be the word of God and has maintained its pure original text and is free from alteration, adulteration and interpolation. Since the Glorious Qur’an is to be followed for eternity, Allah (swt) has taken upon Himself to maintain its original purity and guard it from corruption. Allah says in Glorious Qur’an.”

(1. Here his hypocrisy is finally caught. And Dr Naik should either chop his hands or get himself lashed after consulting Islamic Criminal Law. He is suddenly in doubt whether Vedas are revelations or not. But larger part of his entire thesis rests on proving that Vedas prophesise Prophet Muhammad. If Vedas give revelations about Prophet Muhammad, population of Mecca, companions of Muhammad, and even number of leaders he fought against, what remains to have doubt on Vedas being revelations and being Prophetic by prophesising Prophet Muhammad?

2. If we accept Dr Naik blindly so far, we should agree that Vedas contain such detailed Prophecies about Muhammad that even Quran does not have! Thus obviously Vedas are more prophetic and revelation than Quran. Can Dr Naik provide a similar detailed prophecy from Quran? As per his previous logic, role of Vedas ended with Quran. So vedas predicted Quran and Muhammad. Why could Quran predict nothing of that sort?

3. Obviously two points emerge – one, that Vedas have been proved by Dr Naik to be more prophetic and revelations than Quran. And hence Vedas must be followed and not Quran. Two, since Dr Naik has committed a crime by showing hypocrisy in his own statements by doubting the very Vedas whom he himself proved to be prophetic, he should have his hands chopped off or hae himself lashed or whatever as per Islamic Criminal Law. This would ensure Paradise for him, because Allah is merciful!

4. And if he does not get himself punished as per Islamic Criminal Law, he is a Kafir who has ensured Hell for himself more than anyone else. In that case, he is not to be taken seriously. Quran says that one should not believe in words of hypcrites and Kafirs who are there to deceive and fool you.)
Dr Naik:
“Allah” in Rigveda Book 2 Hymn I verse II
Even in the Rigveda which is the most sacred scripture of the Hindus, one of the attributes given to God Almighty in Book no 2 Hymn no I verse II, is ‘Ila’ which if pronounced properly is the same as Allah.

Allo Upanishad:
Amongst the various Upanishads one of the Upanishad is named as ‘Allo’ Upanishad in which God is referred to as “Allah” several times.”

(1.One does admit that Muhammad did not discover a new language (He was illiterate by the way). So he used words of the prevalent language. And Arabic definitely is derived from Vedic Sanskrit which is the mother of all languages. So Allah can derive from ‘Allah”. We are happy to see Dr Naik finally accepting his Vedic roots. So he should come back to the basics and start using ‘Ila’ to worship ‘Allah’. Further he should also come back to roots of ‘Naik’ which is ‘Naayak’ of Sanskrit and accept the Vedic language and worship in totality. We would be glad to teach him and help him forget his hypocritical ways.

2. Allo Upanishad is a well-known fraud Upanishad. One hundred years ago Muslims used to call it a part of Vedas. But now after Vedas became easily available, they now call it a separate Upanishad! This entertaining book contains mix of Arabic and Sanskrit and seems to be concocted during our long Muslim rule. The grammar is completely out of place and no one can trace this upanishad to any original root – either in Vedas or Brahmans or any branch of Vedas.)

A more critical analysis of Quran and such spurious claims are found here: Chapter 14

Having concluded this commentary on Dr Zakir Naik’s research into Hinduism, we come to following conclusions:

a. If Muhammad is in Hindu Scriptures, he was a ghost, demon and mass-murderer
b. Dr Zakir Naik and IRF is proven to have committed hypocrisy and falsehood, and hence should punish themselves as per Islamic Criminal Law (cutting off-hands, lashing or whatever)
c. The authenticity of Quran is questionable. Its is also not as prophetic as Vedas. So Dr Naik and IRF should embrace the Vedas and change their and Allah’s name as per vedic traditions.
d. In any case, challenge to Dr Naik is still open.
e. The basis of Dr Naik’s logic is Poison=Death=Rest=Peace=Islam, hence Poison = Islam

Al truth-seekers are appealed to reject the path of falsehood and embrace truth and truth alone. Or have their hands chopped off as per Islamic law.
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1. Dr Naik’s “Concept of God in Hinduism”
2. Dr Naik’s Introduction to Hinduism (edited with comments)
3. Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – An analysis (Part 1)

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NEHRU STADIUM? Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 10:42 AM



“Jawaharlal Nehru Stadium” is getting ready for the 2010 Commonwealth Games. Due to serious security concerns England has put her decision to participate on hold.

ISN’T IT A SHAME that a country, claiming to be super power and boasting of ancient civilisation, is unable to defend her parliament, hotels, railways stations, shopping malls and even a prestigious international sports venue from ISLAMIC terrorists?

The second question is, “Why “Jawaharlal Nehru” Stadium? What sports did Nehru play except leisurely, easy, slow and romantic strolls in the company of Edwina Mountbatten in President’s House (now Rashtrapatni Bhawan) gardens in New Delhi?

Doesn’t India have any gold medalist in sports or athletics in her entire history? Unfortunately we cannot think of any other name, except invariably of one or the other “bogus” GANDHI, to inflict on this new Stadium.

What about the one who was a legend in running, known as the “FLYING SIKH”?

Has the nation thrown him out of mind and memory like the 15 million refugees from West & East Pakistan in 1947 or the Hindu refugees from South Kashmir in 1989?

Who will propose the name of the new Stadium in Delhi as “MILKHA SINGH STADIUM” to honour himself and the nation in the eyes of the whole world?



There is a long way to get deliverance from CORRUPT Congress CLUTCHES and there is also a short one.

The long one is to prepare the masses for a revolution. But at the same time CORRUPT RULERS will hinder and thwart every effort to wake up the sleeping masses. That will take centuries.

The other way is a MILITARY take-over, arrest of corrupt "basta*ds" overnight and recover the money from FOREIGN (notably SWISS) banks and put it into public circulation or invest in public domain and then write up a New Constitution that has a "bite" like the one in CHINA where yesterday a Pakistani smuggler (with UK passport) was EXECUTED for possessing four kilos of heroin.

Indian ruling and legal system is not only useless but corrupt, and cannot even arrest one thug with 40 kilograms of heroin. How much wealth did the BOFORS CHOR alone take from commissions? And he was supposed to set an example in "clean" administration.

December 31, 2009.


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Time for Congress to win over nationalist camp
Dost Khan
30 Dec 2009

Sageer Report pro-separatist

Today’s Congress is not the Congress of Pandit Moti Lal Nehru (1928), who knew the nature of the Indian problem, who knew the nature and implications of the Muslim League politics, and who rejected outright the suggestions in favour of communal electorates and creation of three new Muslim-majority provinces of Sindh, Baluchistan and North West Frontier Province; and advocated not just joint electorates, but also the need for a unitary structure, also invested with residuary powers.

Today’s Congress is not the Congress of Subhash Chandra Bose, who wanted to achieve the country’s independence through all means and at the earliest; who stood for secular and democratic values; who didn’t discriminate between communities on the ground of religious denomination; who worked and died for national unity and integrity; whose re-election as Congress president in 1939 at Tripuri was described by Mahatma Gandhi, whom we call the “father of the nation” as his “personal defeat” on the ground that the Pradesh Congress Committees had defeated his candidate Sitaramayya; who, convinced it would be difficult for him to discharge his obligations towards the nation as Congress president because Gandhi was unhappy over his re-election, quit Congress and formed the Forward Block to fight for the national cause.

Today’s Congress is not the Congress of Indira Gandhi, who showed Pakistan its rightful place in 1971 by facilitating the creation of an independent and sovereign Bangladesh out of Pakistan; whose armed forces made 93,000 Pakistani soldiers, including generals, raise their hands and lay down arms before the fast-advancing and brave Indian soldiers; who withdrew her party’s support to Sheikh Abdullah in 1977 on the ground that the government was indulging in activities not conducive to national health; who dismissed the government of Farooq Abdullah in 1984 on the ground that it had become a “threat to national security”; who was given unqualified support even by the RSS and BJP stalwarts like Atal Bihari Vajpayee, who called her “Durga,” and who later fought to restore law and order in militant-infested Punjab before succumbing to the bullet. However, later a democratically-elected government came to power in 1992 under the brave Sardar Beant Singh. The nation gave Indira Gandhi unstinted support notwithstanding the fact that she had declared Emergency in the country in 1975; had pinned faith in the unscrupulous Zulfikar Ali Bhutto at Shimla in 1972 resulting in the conversion of a magnificent victory into a diplomatic defeat.

This is also not the Congress of PV Narasimha Rao, who would speak less but work hard for the unity and integrity of India; who in collaboration with J&K Governor Gen. KV Krishna Rao would break the backbone of radical Islamists and separatists in Kashmir and organize very successfully the 1996 Parliamentary and Assembly elections in the state, with not even a single terrorist-related incident taking place anywhere; who examined the implications of the demand in favour of pre-1953 politico-constitutional status for J&K and did nothing to implement his Burkina Faso “Sky is the limit” statement; and who did all he could to tell everyone in Kashmir that he meant business and would not tolerate any non-sense.

Today’s Congress is something all together different. It doesn’t mind handing over the office of Chief Minister to the National Conference, a votary of semi-independence and a party known for its bias against Jammu, Ladakh and non-Kashmiri Muslim minorities, for a full term of six years, with the local Congress leaders not mustering courage to open their mouths and fight for the long-term interests of the Congress party in the state. Today’s Congress doesn’t mind extending a helping hand to those in Kashmir who are demanding greater autonomy and self-rule, or a dispensation outside the secular and democratic constitutional organization of India on the ground that Kashmir is a Muslim majority area and cannot have any kind of relations with New Delhi.

Today’s Congress doesn’t mind making common cause with those in Kashmir who are denouncing the Indian Army and demanding its withdrawal from the state on the ground its presence in the state is unlawful and illegal, and that the withdrawal of the Army and paramilitary forces from Kashmir alone could provide “breathing space to the Kashmiri people” (read the followers of a particular religion).

Today’s Congress does not mind talking to those who want the borders between India and Pakistan to become soft and the Actual Line of Control between the two parts of J&K to become porous and irrelevant; who want New Delhi to share sovereignty with Pakistan in J&K; who want dual currency system in the state; who want economic independence for the state; and who are talking in terms of supra-state measures.

Today’s Congress is controlled by those who are themselves saying that they are for a “non-territorial” solution. In other words, who are out to make ideological compromises with those whose ideology is primitive, backward-looking, regressive and intolerant. In other words, they themselves are saying ‘borders are just a line on the map.’

Today’s Congress doesn’t mind hailing Justice Sageer Ahmed’s out-and-out anti-India, anti-Jammu, anti-Ladakh, anti-displaced Kashmiri Hindus and anti-Gujjar and Bakerwal Muslims and pro-autonomy and pro-self-rule report drafted, approved and submitted by one man to the Jammu & Kashmir Chief Minister – a report which is likely to be considered by the State Cabinet on December 30 [today].

It is true that it is only JKPCC chief Saifuddin Soz who, unlike Union Health Minister and former Chief Minister Ghulam Nabi Azad, has hailed the report and publicly acknowledged that “his party’s stand is clear and the stand is that it doesn’t mind considering the concepts of autonomy and self-rule”. (Azad told media persons in Jammu only the other day that “I will not make any comment on the report as I have not seen it”.)

The open support given by the JKPCC president to the highly biased and unsettling report, and the stony silence of the Jammu-based Congress leaders and ministers, indicate that the Congress high command stands for whatever Justice Sageer Ahmed has recommended. Had it not been so, the JKPCC president would not have commended the controversial report; the local Congress leaders and ministers would have by now surely raised much hue and cry.

Yet the Congress is committing a grave mistake by making pronouncements which are not desirable; which would surely harm the long-term political interests of the party not only in the state in general and Jammu province, its core constituency, in particular, but also across the country because the nation is not prepared for a sell-out; for any kind of compromise on the Indian position on Jammu and Kashmir.

The Jammu-based Congress leaders and ministers must assert themselves, taking into consideration the stark reality that the people of Jammu are up in revolt against the report, against the Congress and against the National Conference. The shutdown observed by the people of Jammu on December 29, 2009 is proof. They should not ignore this shutdown. They had ignored the national sentiment in Jammu in 2008 and had suffered the people’s ire. They should not commit the same folly again.

They must throw this report out lock, stock and barrel and work for the separation of Jammu and Ladakh from Kashmir as this is the only way left to show the separatists their rightful place. It is time for them to follow Moti Lal Nehru, Subhash Chandra Bose, and Indira Gandhi, who had also opposed the idea of the Mughal Road, and PV Narasimha Rao, and save Jammu and save the nation.

The author resides in Jammu & Kashmir

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Today's Congress IS the Congress of Hume, MK Gandhi, Motilal and Jawaharlal Nehru; it IS the Congress of Indira Gandhi and her progeny; it IS the Congress that brought in Sheikh Abdullah and IS the Congress that led the nation to vivisection. Shri Dost Khan must read the Motilal Nehru Report attentively before singing dulcet tunes in his praise. J&K is NOT an issue that concenrs the people pf J&K alone. The Hindus from the rest of India have a stake in it and must therrefore have a say in its affairs too. The time for J&K as a private dunghill is over.
Radha Rajan
30 Dec 2009

This is truly a great article from a great nationalist and patriot. It shows today's Congress Party in its true antinational colours and underlines the need for citizens to mobilise urgently to defend the national interest. Dost Khan is a source of inspiration and we desperately need more like him!
avadhuth k.
30 Dec 2009

it seems both Congress and BJP are consensual parties in a give and take with Pakistan. They seem to agree on giving up sovereignty and allowing communal stranglehold of Kashmiri sunni muslims over entire Jammu and Kashmir. What they get back is not clear. May be an assurence from the MAD Pakis that they shall abandon Jehad in rest of India. God save the Indian State.
Shailendra Aima Jammu
30 Dec 2009

I agree that we should throw the Saghir report out lock stock and barrel. The writer has written nicely about some ofthe nationalist actions of Congress PMs. But I thought writer would tell why BJP did not support Jammu bandh? My relatives in the market told that BJP workers went every marketplace and said to open the shops! If this is their nationalism, what is their Akhand Bharat? May be that is why they began the talks with Musharraf and gave him pearls to eat at Agra. Shame.
30 Dec 2009

What a sorry state of affairs in our country. A shame on us.Today the country is largely managed by some individuals with vested interests. These vested interests would go to any length to harm this once great nation to achieve their vested interests.These vested interests are everywhere , in all political parties , and is spreading like cancer. It is a shame that there is a section of Indian polity which is talking the same language as Pakistan does on Kashmir.If india will be harmed,it will be harmed by vested intersts who are the enemies within and not by enemies from outside. It is time for us all Indians to stand up to these enemies and expose them. Why Indian media, in general, supports such forces baffles me. They would do a great service to their country if they start exposing such vested interests and the time has come now for them to do so before it is too late.
31 Dec 2009

Radhaji is right. INC was the Indian National Congress of Hume. It was Indian Nehru Comgress; then Indhra Nehru Congress and now Italian National Congress.
31 Dec 2009

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Special Question: Swamiji, I wish to ask about a long-term associate From: Ravishankar Gopal

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Moderate Islam: Ally or Myth?
Posted by: "EagleSM23" eaglesm23
Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:49 am (PST)

Moderate Islam: Western Ally or Western Myth? Daniel
Pipes and Wafa Sultan
Can there be a truly moderate Islam compatible with liberal-democratic notions of human rights and democracy? Is "radical Islam" a modern phenomenon or is Islam itself inherently radical? Such were the questions addressed in a recent debate between Dr. Daniel Pipes, director of the Middle East Forum, and Dr. Wafa Sultan, a Syrian-born American psychiatrist. James Taranto of the Wall Street Journalmoderated.Mr. Pipes began by emphasizing that he and Ms. Sultan are allies, fighting the same opponents, namely, the Islamists. They agree on the past and present of Islam but disagree about the future. Ms. Sultan argues it cannot change while he believes it can. The idea that Islam cannot change is an essentialist view that ignores how much Islam has changed over history, an aspect that he, as a student of Islamic history for forty years, appreciates. He stressed that many of
the requirements of the Shari'a, or Muslim sacred law, are impractical to implement, resulting in what Mr. Pipes has coined as the "medieval synthesis,"
whereby loopholes are devised to get around impractical tenets, such as the prohibition against usury.
In the 1800s, with the onslaught of Western influence, the medieval synthesis collapsed, replaced by secular, reformist, and fundamentalist strains. The last of these is the totalitarian mentality that Mr. Pipes describes as "Islamism," which transformed the religion into a political movement. And while Islamism dominates today, there are even at this bleak moment signs that Islam itself can change. For example, jurists in Turkey recently ruled that women can pray next to men in mosques, a small but important step for women's rights.
Ms. Sultan began her argument by quoting Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, who says that there is no "moderate or immoderate
Islam. There is Islam; that is it." She contends that terms like "radical Islam" conceal the true nature of Islam itself—a political ideology. She adds that the aim of Islam is to subdue the entire world under Shari'a. To prove her position, she quoted from the Qur'an; she also argued that the true nature of Islam can be seen in the Sira, or biography, of Muhammad, which, she says, has come to define Islam itself. For instance, Ms. Sultan claims that Muhammad's actions—such as marrying a 9-year-old and taking many women as concubines —means that there can be no equality for women under Shari'a.
During the question and answer session, Mr. Pipes pointed out that those who argue that Islam itself is the problem leave the West with no solutions, adding that, to
truly reform Islam, Western governments must begin to empower genuine moderates. Asked
what policies she would adopt toward the Muslim world, Ms. Sultan asserted that Islam can be reformed, and recommended Western pressure on the Saudi king as the surest way.
Mr. Pipes and Ms. Sultan agreed on some specifics, for instance, that Western governments must not welcome non-violent Islamism and should monitor the hate being taught in Muslim schools in the West. Overall, however, Mr. Pipes, while not denying what Islam has been or is, insists that Islam, like other religions, can and will change, whereas Ms. Sultan was more pessimistic.VIDEO @

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Special Question: Swamiji, I wish to ask about a long-term associate
Posted by: "Ravishankar Gopal" ravishankar_g
Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:51 am (PST)

Radhe Krishna To all,

When talking about Krishna, people with a research mentality are interested in the history, while true devotees of Krishna wish to hear only 'His story'.

Swamiji, I wish to ask about a long-term associate of mine. This person, as I have known him, is an emotionally charged character with frequent mood swings.
He has taken to some spiritual practices since the past few days. He tells me that he has started having some divine visions and also that he has been encountering incidents in his life similar to that of a few Saints.

Are these experiences real? Does a spiritual aspirant really perceive such experiences?

Sri Sri Muralidhara Swamiji

Firstly let us understand that spirituality is not a bed of roses. When we read about the spiritual experiences of great Saints, we should always keep in mind the amount of struggle they have undergone and the rigorous penance they have performed over years together in order to attain such an exalted state. These experiences, by no means, come by in a short span of time.

In general, If one decides to undertake a rigorous spiritual sadhana (practice), one has to perform it as instructed by his Guru with an one-pointed mind with patience and perseverance over many years to see even a small progress. Above all, it requires a strong and equipoised mind. Direct spiritual progress and experiences have been achieved by the strongest of minds. If not, will lead one to a state of mental instability and render him unfit even for worldly life, leave alone spiritual life.

Let us consider the following traits...

1. Often sitting morosely in solitude
2. Nurturing hatred towards life
3. Often having a lingering question of why one was born
4. Having an urge to commit suicide
5. Always worrying about the future
6. Eating too sumptuously or otherwise, starving
7. At one time, speaking audaciously that one would accomplish everything, and at another time, branding oneself as not fit for anything
8. Telling others that he has a premonition of what is going to happen
9. Always talking with self-pity
10. Laughing boisterously without any reason, and at times, being overly silent and dejected
11. Tying together naturally occurring events and incidents and arriving at inferences (usually negative) by reading into them
12. Blaming others for all the shortcomings that one faces
13. Not going to work at all; Abstaining from going to work on the working day just after the week’s holiday; Purposely absenting from work in order to procrastinate that day's tasks to the next day, absenting for a long time and showing the same as a reason to quit work
14. Sleeping during the day and being a night-owl because of sleeping during the day; sleeping on the belly
15. Believing hallucinations as true
16. Imagining and predicting the future incidents
17. Abusing others, physically or verbally; or abusing oneself
18. Behaving normally when it comes to entertainment or enjoyment
19. Being very intelligent or artistic, to the point where it becomes unrealistic
20. Being aggressively passionate about a task or a particular thing of liking
21. Targeting one individual and finding faults with him, or being overly possessive
22. Being foolishly adamant without any reason
23. Spending money lavishly without planning for the future
24. Expecting that others should respect him and expecting recognition.
25. Doing away with anyone who finds fault with him
26. Often being careless at work and quitting work
27. Lamenting that no one understands him
28. Always engaging in talking to someone or the other either in person or through phone
29. Often leaving home
30. Undertaking resolutions from the next day or the forthcoming occasion to behave in a particular manner or follow a particular routine that is not practical and then, pushing it to a later date or forsaking it in a couple of days, or taking that resolution yet again
31. Experiencing an inflammation in the nerves around the brain when emotionally charged
32. Imagining oneself as an incarnation of a God / special creation and assuming others also to be so
33. Trying to attain everything through easy short-cuts
34. Trying to imitate others
35. Bullying the weak and fearing the strong
36. Having a strong feeling of vengeance against others without any particular reason
37. Reading the histories of great saints and drawing a parallel between their experiences and one's own life’s incidents

If you find someone possessing a few or all of these traits, then his/her mental disposition is generally not suited for rigorous spiritual Sadhanas that involve heavy tasking of the mind. Such a person should be advised to stay away from undertaking such Sadhanas and seek professional psychiatric help.

He might perceive a superficial similarity in incidents of his life while reading spiritual books about experiences of great saints. Whereas, in reality, such correlations will only weaken his already fragile mind. So it is best for him to avoid reading such texts.

A light religious life with simple and light spiritual practices with a positive outlook in day-to-day life is advised for such individuals if they wish to lead a happy life.
Sri.Sri.Muralidhara Swamiji in Vijay TV
Our Namadwaar satsang is bringing out very shortly the diary 2010 for the convenience of the devotees and satsang members from our ashram.

This diary contains useful information's such as important satsang dates and events

It will also contains nice images of our Guru Maharaj, and ashram.

As estimated now this Diary price will be Rs. 250/- approx.

We plan to print only a limited edition.

Interested members can reply to or can call our Chennai office 044-24895875 ( CHAITANYA MAHAPRABHU NAMABHIKSHA KENDRA )and order for a copy.

It will enable us to decide on the number before we give the printing order.

To know about His Holiness Sri Sri Muralidhara Swamiji's publications please visit



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8th house - a 'look' from Pathi
Posted by: "venkatachala pathi" pathiav
Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:57 am (PST)

8th House – a ‘look’ from Pathi

“Guru ji, Eighth House is said to be the house, with connected Planets, which could cause constant miseries to all and it is tabooed as the house of destruction in a Birth Chart. As a learner of Astrology, I am looking at this house and its results to cause ‘suspense’ at all times. Please help me to learn more on this house and its effects.”.
n Jayanthi Rajan, Trichi.

EIGHTH House from Lagna, points to the following for reference:

(i) Mental Distress, Physical Distress and Pain, Calamity, Death – place where to happen, cause, when and nature, Mutilation, Amputation, Defeat, Insult, Sorrow, Punishment given by Authority, Severe difficulties, Fear of enemies, Obstruction for plan/ progress, Arrest, Detention, Ill repute, Criminal, Violent attitude of mind, Boat, Accident, Morbid sexuality and Weapons.
(ii) Marital Bond, Tantra, Occult and Hidden Meaning.
(iii) Ability to manipulate others, Drugs (for good or bad for health), and Drinks.
(iv) Split between friends or Partner, defeat in diplomatic efforts.
(v) Matters relating to wealth (as this house is seventh from the second house), unearned wealth, Acquiring and constructing religious properties, Business matters and investments.
(vi) Financial matters related to death, viz., legacy, insurance, will, gratuity, and inheritance.
(vii) Incurring debts and giving loans.
(viii) Sailing on water bodies including sea, Strange and risky adventures of body and mind, Rough mountainous path/ regions, dense and wild forests, Losing one’s way.
(ix) Vocations – Health inspectors, Hospital and healthcare laborers, Mortuary attendants, Grave yard servants, Ambulance attendants and drivers, Coroners, Slaughter houses and workers, Butchers and traders,.
(x) Disease – Piles, Fistula, Rectum related ailments, Urinary disorder, Facial decease, ailments related to Scrotum, Anus, Excretory organs, Bladder, Left part of chin, Stomach, or left Calf (related to drakken rising), and Several ‘Balrista’.

Let me give you some insight on this Eighth House and related Planets from ‘POORVA PARASARYAM’ – a text compiled from “Paladeepika”; “Sarvatha Chindamani”; “Bruhath Jathaka”; “Krisheeyam”; “Jaimini Suthram”; “Sripati Paddadhi”; “Vakpati”; “Gargi”; “Saraavali”; “Bhadhanarayan”; “Mahendran”;
“Gnana Deepika”; “Prasna Margam” and “Rathina Mala”.


If any Planet, under the shadow of Sun (either Sun occupies with that Planet or in its’ ‘Drusti’ -7th look- or in LEO – owned by Sun), becomes weak – ‘asthanga’ –in this 8th House, to cause : constant eye trouble, short period of life, discarded by all near and dear in the family.

Born with Sun positioned in 8th House(being any other house other than above), the Natal will have a charming face to attract one and all, desire to cause unnecessary gossip to invite/ create troubles, always depressed, very smart in thinking, with pleasant attire, having stomach problems, and slim in body structure.

Born with waning Moon positioned in 8th House, the Natal will have poor stretch of life, whereas with waxing moon there, will be philanthropist, feeding poor, ready to face adversaries intelligently.

Born with Mars positioned in 8th House, the Natal will be strong in physical build and constitution, short stretch of life span, peculiar unpleasant personality, doing unsocial acts, having mischievous children, and always suffer for many things in life. When that Mars is in 8th House, if he is born with Moon in Gemini – Mithun Rasi- or as Lagna, could prefer simple attire, be wealthy, a leader of a group, proficient in a field of knowledge, popular in society, strong in health with long stretch of life, and be a person to make his family proud of him/her.

Born with Mercury positioned in 8th House, the Natal will be equal to a king, commander of an army/group of followers, be rich with assets, with humility, owner of many dwellings, brave and shrewd leader.

Born with Jupiter positioned in 8th House, the Natal will be defeated by enemies at all times how cleaver he should be, lives long years, serving others, lazy, blaming his/her own tribes and religious believers, admonished by near and same society of people, always tempted to enjoy sex with those below his/her status, and have clandestinely developed relationships. Whereas, if that Jupiter occupies 8th House from Lagna, and that house is its ‘malefic house’ – Capricorn – Makara – and in first 5º, that person will be extraordinarily recognized as an intelligent person in his field as well as in general and live a long life to serve his/her society. This includes those born in Gemini – Mithuna- Lagna also .

Born with Venus positioned in 8th House, the Natal will be enjoying extreme luxury in every walk of life, born rich, leader of a group like a king, and always pleasant all his/her life.

Born with Saturn positioned in 8th House, the Natal will suffer from sickness, some time in life, related to bones, piles, always under stress with sufferings, facing failures in any effort taken at any time, be poor, and inviting unnecessary quarrels always.

Born with Rahu positioned in 8th House, the Natal will make everyone imparted with his prowess and treasure of excellence in knowledge in many things, defects in any one part of body, void of successors – children, always clean in thinking and acts, having skin ailments, loose bowels, workaholic, easy to lose of temper, committing inadvertent errors to become a culprit, delay attitude, and sited to do any work.

Born with Ketu positioned in 8th House, the Natal will be have some defective physical conditions, always striving hard yet poor, a desire to thieve or posses in unethical methods grabbing those belonging to others, and discarded by all.

It should be noted that these are General, and the placement of 8th house, the related Planets casting ‘drushty’ – look – on that house and position of Sun and Moon, and other ‘conditions’ before reaching ‘interpretations’. Also, Desha, Bukti and other related matters are to be studied. Further, ‘Gochara’ – transit – positions of Planets on the day of study or to the related time of assessment become very important in ‘balancing’ the ‘results’.

Conclusion: 8th house is only a ‘pointer’ and the talent in interpretations after proper ‘balancing’ will give the real ‘directions’ for ‘interpretations’.

My next , in continuation of this article, will give the method to access the results with reference to this house for ‘predictions’.

Wish you all a very happy new year 2010 with plenty and prosperity.

Pathi (27th December 2009)


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FW: our festivals have scientific basis
Posted by: "shivashankara rao"
Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:38 pm (PST)


By K N Shivashankara Rao

Mark twain said, “In India there are 366 festivals in a year!” Most of us do not know why these festivals are celebrated. However every one enjoys the festivals and the extravagant celebrations. It would be interesting to find out their background from a scientific, logical, historical and pouranic points of view.

As Osho says, our life itself should be like a festival. Enjoying comraderi and religiosity, achieving physical wellbeing and mental peace and tranquility is the objective. So, instead of attaching too much of importance to the external aspects, it is better to concentrate on the meaningful activities expected in each festival. For example, Krishnaashtami and Geethajayanti can be celebrated chanting the Gita, Ramanavami with Ramayana Paarayana, Dussera by chanting the Devi Bhagavatha etc.

Those who first introduced these practices knew the correct reasoning behind the celebrations. The next generations performed them correctly even if they had not understood the background. Nowadays, some of these are being conducted without understanding and in an incorrect way. With this background, modern generation who need explanation for every thing may reject the whole thing. It is therefore necessary to understand correctly and then explain them to our juniors. Let us consider some of the practices as examples.

Chaandogya Upanishad (1.10) says,
Gavyam sumadhuram kinchiddoshaghnam krimi kushtanuth
Kandoom cha shamayeth pittham samyagdoshodare hitham
(go moothra is a little sweet, it is anti infectant, it cures leprosy)

American business and patent’s office has issued a patent for preparation of drugs useful for cancer patients and some anti infection drugs using the cow’s urine. The drugs and cosmetics institute at Lucknow under C.S.I.R. is the organization which has secured this patent. The Nagpur institute of research on cow science has partnered with this institute.

Before awarding this patent research has been conducted using cow’s urine with TAXOL, a drug useful to treat breast cancer. Ampicillin tetracycline and refompicin have also been used along with gomootra.

Khushvaaha S L, a teacher in Bhopal conducted homas when the poisonous gas, methyl isocyanate was spreading rapidly there. In about 20 minutes, the gas vanished from the vicinity of his house. (See THE HINDU DATED APRIL 7, 1985). An American professor (psychiatrist) Barry Tathner has conducted research on Agnihotra, which is a small homa done everyday. He says agnihotra is known all over the world.

The research conducted on Rudra Swahaakaara Yajna conducted at Nagpur has been reported in detail in BOUDDHIKA SAMPADA- NOVEMBER 1999. This has been followed up at the conference on cows at Ramachandrapura mutt during 2007 April.

The use of brass, copper vessels, turmeric (arisina, Haldi), neem sticks etc., have also been subjected to tests. BEETA AMELOID, a protein causing the incurable ALZEMEIR disease could be controlled by the use of turmeric- Arisina (Haldi) – see THE HINDU DATED April 20, 2005.

Neem leaves and sticks are being used from times immemorial in our Yugadi festival and we take a little neem with jaggery on that day. The patent office in Munich had given a patent to the American Agriculture department along with one W R Grace company. Since some Indians objected to it, the patent was withdrawn in 2000. But on a representation from the company, it was reconsidered and again rejected in 2005.

There are about 1 crore neem trees in the country and it is possible to earn about 1000 crores from these. At present, we are using only a part of these and earning only about 100 crores. (See THE INDIAN EXPRESS 6-6-2007)

We have to understand that if we do not wake up and take care about protecting our ancient cultural practices, we may have to obtain permission from some multi national company even to perform our festivals!
We offer the best and special dishes to God first and partake them as prasada. Thus, we get the best to eat and since we fast till the pooja is over, it helps in improvement of health too.

The procedure followed in each festival has scientific background. For example, during Ramanavami which falls during summer, we offer Kosumbari which cools the body. Lime juice with sugar, butter milk etc., are also distributed. Deepavali which falls after the harvest season is enjoyed with daughters, sons in law and grand children.

Mahashivaratri is considered as Shiva’s marriage day with Girija or his birthday. The day is ideal for spiritual advancement and so, the day and night is spent praying, worshipping. Rudra destroys sorrow and difficulties. He is called AASHUTHOSHA, one who is pleased easily and grants any thing prayed for. Shiva means auspicious. The ash on his body indicates vairagya. No one can destroy ash ! He lives in the burial ground. The serpent on his neck represents time. Since he controls time he is MAHAAKAALA. His vehicle Nandi symbolizes Dharma. Shakti (energy) is his wife. To indicate that he takes care of even those who are rejected by every one else, he shelters Bhoothagana.

He is Nataraja. Births and deaths, all changes taking place with time are controlled by movements, he is engaged in Thaandava nrithya. His third eye indicates movement upwards.
The three lines of Vibhoothi represent Thriguna, Thriloka. If thapathrayas are overcome, realization of the self is possible. The combination of Shiva and Shakti is indicated with the ardha nareeswara concept. Likewise, the shiva-shakti within us should merge and we should realize the atman. This is the purpose behind the shivaratri celebration.

AKSHAYA thritheeya������…. (To be continued)

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FW: God concept in vedas.
Posted by: "shivashankara rao"
Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:39 pm (PST)

-:K N Shivashankara Rao,

There are several indications of the single God concept in
the vedas....For instance,

Here are some Quotations from the vedas on the concept of

1. anEjadEkam manasO javeeyO nainaddEvaa aapnuvan
poorvamarshat. taddhaavatO anatyEti
tishTittasminnapO maatarishvaa dadaati.-YAJURVEDA 40.4.

(That force is ONLY ONE.
That does not move. It is faster
than the mind. No one catch it. .......)

2. vishvatashchakrurata vishvatO mukhO........dEva
Ekaha.. Rigveda-10.18.3.

( The one who occupies all space is ONE ONLY.)

3.Ya Eka ittamushtuhikrshteenaam vicharshaNihi. patirjajnE vrashakratuhu. Rigveda 6.45.16.

(Pray to the ONE AND ONLY god.....)

4.indram mitram varuNamagni maahuraTodivyaha sa susharNO
garutyaan. Ekam sadvipraa bahudaa
vadantyagnim yamam maatarishvaanamaahuhu...
RIGVEDA 1-164-46.

(THAT IS ONE ONLY, but learned persons call it by different

5. yo dEvaanam naamadhaa Eka Eva tam samprashnam bhuvanaa
yantyanyaa. RIGVEDA 10.82.3.

(THE ONLY ONE assumes different names....)

6. na dviteeyO na trIteeyashchaturTO naapyuchyatE. na panchmO na shashTaha saptamO
naapyuchyatE. naashtamO na navamO
dashamO naapyuchyatE......tamidam nigatam sahaha sa Esha Eka EkavridEka
Eva. ATHARVA VEDA. 13.4.16-18-20.

(THERE IS NO SECOND GOD. No third, no forth, fifth, sixth,
seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth. THERE IS

God has been described by various terms -Bhagavan, Dhaata,
Eshvara, Paramaatmaa,ParamEshvara, Vidhaata etc., As you know Hinduism does not depend upon
a single scripture. Depending on the
needs and tastes of His votaries He can appear to them in any form they like to
worship and respond through that form.
He can also incarnate himself.

He can also be the impersonal or absolute Brahman which word
means "infinitely big". It
defies all description. It is the basis
for all existence, consciousness and joy- sat-chit-Ananda (existence-consciousness-

It has to be
mentioned that there are references in Shukla Yajurveda which describes in
detail various vedic sacrifices like DarshapoorNamaasa, AshvamEdha, Raajasooya,
Soutraamani, VaajapEya as also some sOmayaagaas. Most of the Gods mentioned in Rigveda are
mentioned here also. It should be
observed that there are references mentioning RUDRA as more important, others
like Ushas lost importance.

It may be observed that although there are references
in different parts of the vedas mentioning the greatness of one or the other
forms of God, the underlining principle is the existence of that one great
force, which is called God which creates, sustains and destroys.

JaabaalOpanishat declares that SHATARUDREEYA is the most
important portion of Yajurveda and those who chant it would achieve MOksha.

( adhyaayam shatarudreeyam yajushaam saaramuttamam,

japEdaamaraNaadrudram sa yaati paramaam gatim.)

rudrahridayOpanishat explains the omnipresence of Rudra-
( "rudra is brahma, sarasvati, vishnu, lakshmi, soorya
etc., rudra is veda....")

One may observe that the shivapuranas proclaim the
importance of vishnu and vishnu puranas do the same with
In the mahabharatha, Bheeshma says,

("kO hi shaktO bhavam jnaatum madvidhaha paramEshvaram,

RitE naarayanaat putra shankha chakra

skaandapuraana says,

("harirdvaabhyaam ravirdvaabhyaam dvaabhyaam chandi

dvaabhyaam brahmaa samaakhyaataha shEshENa bhagavaan

The Upanishats which describes the greatness of Shiva are
shvEtaashvatara, Kaivalya, jaabaala, garbha, atharvashirassu, atharvashikhaa,
brihajjaabaala, kaalaagnirudra, dakshinaamurthy, sharabha, akshamaalikaa,
rudrahridaya, bhasma jaabaala, rudraaksha jaabaala, panch brahmajaabaali etc.,
-as mentioned in MuktikOpanishat.

The words of Vishnu himself as he told
Daksha prajaapati in srimad bhaagavata is interesting.

(aham brahmaa cha sharvascha jagatah kaaranam param,

aatmEshvara upadrashtaa svayam drigavishEshaNaha.)

Thus you may observe that there is no dispute between shiva
and vishnu as to who is great!! These are the different names
for that great force (shakti). Why fight on that ?


In one Vedic hymn, Indra with a body clad in golden armour,
being very strong descends to earth, fights and overcomes his enemies to
establish his own domain. Again,
Varuna is also raised to the level of God (Atharva IV 16, 1-5.). Hiranyagarbha is perhaps the highest in
conception with a concrete name (Rig-Veda 121, 1-2.).

The Purusha sookta describes God as, “with infinite heads,
unnumbered eyes, and unnumbered feet and beyond all predicates….” It is clear from this that there is a
total rejection of pantheism. God is
seen as the ultimate energy in and beyond all creation and never identified
with it.

From the concept of God as personal being, Vedic seers
passed on to the final conception of an impersonal, remote Force. TAD EKAM. The naasadeeya hymn explains this concept

Swami Vivekananda exclaims, “It is a grand explanation- one
that has given the theme to all subsequent thought in India and one that will
be the theme of the whole world of religions: EKAM SAT VIPRAH BAHUDHAA

It is true that we have many Gods in appearance only. In reality, we have only one God who is
called by various names.- Indra, Varuna, Hiranyagarbha, Rama, Krishna, Shiva,
Shakti …etc., Whichever of these is
chosen for adoration, that one becomes God himself , in whom every thing exists
including all other gods.

The question as to why there are elementary ideas of God as
well as the most advanced in the hymns requires to be examined. This represents a graduated scale of Vedic
conceptions for varied stages of religious attainment. Some may be beginners; some may even be
seers and sages. Vedas cater to all
according to their own needs. For
some flying is taught, for some others walking has to be taught.

To those who are at a lower stage, polytheism is taught and
for those at a higher stage monotheism is taught. To those who are at the top of the scale a
notion of God so impersonal, devoid of any thing describable in human terms is

Thus there are contrasting spiritual levels of Vedic hymns
and this shows the variety and flexibility.
The central oneness is its remarkable capacity for adaptation.

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[gita-talk] How to keep this body healthy so that I can remain focused on God?
sadhak_insight Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Of recent, my attention has been consumed with this body with aches and pains, BP and other health issues. How can I draw my attention back to God? How can I keep this body healthy enough so that my attention is not drawn to that which is going to go away, as we all know this. Please guide me !

Any references in Gitaji on keeping body healthy for a sadhak's spiritual growth? (GT Moderators addition)


Correct timing to take water, will maximize its effectiveness to Human body.

Two (02) glass of water - After waking up - Helps activate internal organs

One (01) glasses of water - 30 minutes before meal - Help digestion

One (01) glass of water - Before taking a bath - Helps lower blood pressure

(01) glass of water - Before sleep - To avoid stroke or heart attack.

This is very important for our health Truly yours

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I also know that with ten percent and five per cent reservations what will be the future of Bharatvarsh which had existed and prospered in the past and your sermons will be replaced by........

Your comments are highly appreciated. Dhanyavad.

[aryayouthgroup] >>>I know>>>

Kriya Baba Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:26 AM


I know He is the beginning, so why do I worry about the end.

I know He is the creator, so why do I wonder who will destroy.

I know He has forgiven me, so why can't I forgive myself.

I know He is a healer, so why do I speak of sickness.

I know He can do all things, so why do I say I can't.

I know He will protect me, so why do I fear.

I know He will supply all my needs, so why can't I wait.

I know He is my strength and my salvation, so why do I feel weak.

I know that everything and everyone has a season,
so why when someone's season is over do I weep instead of rejoice.

I know He is the right way, so why do I go the wrong way.

I know He is the light, so why do I choose to walk in darkness.

I know that whatever I ask of GOD, GOD will give me,
so why am I scared to ask.

I know tomorrow is not promised,
so why do I put off for tomorrow what I can do today.

I know that the truth shall make me free, so why do I continue to lie.

I know He gives us revelation knowledge and understanding,
so why do I lean on my own understanding.

I know I should live in the spirit as well as walk in the spirit,
so why do I choose to live in the spirit but walk in the flesh.

I know that when praises go up blessings come down,
so why do I refuse to praise Him.

I know I am saved, so why do I refuse the word He has given me.

I know He has a plan for me,
so why am I rushing it because I am eager to do His will,
when it is His time not my time.

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[sadhaka] For the Benefit of All (Dec 26, 2009)

sadhak_insight Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 9:12 AM

|| Shree Hari ||
Ram Ram

26th December, 2009, Saturday, Paush Shukla Navami

For the Benefit of All (Sarva Bhoote Hite Rata)

There is one thing in everyone. That is dependence on something or the other. If that dependence is on anything excepting God, it will same day lead to your downfall. Dependence on anything other than God is a false assumption. Your
body, wealth, family, property, etc. is not for you. It is yours only to serve. It has been given to you to give to the world and to serve the world and to serve God. Depend only on God.

Similarly, none of your actions is for you. All your actions should be for the benefit of others. We do actions to earn/collect wealth or to enjoy the wealth that we think we have created/obtained. Both these things (Earning wealth and enjoying the same) are situate in the world only. They are not for your Self. People may not like this but it is a fact. It is true. You are only a part of God. Your body has been made by your father and mother. It is a part of both of them. But your Self is a part of only God. There is no second. Instead of action - be silent/quiet. Depend only on God. This is the highest secret teaching of the Gita. It appears only once in the entire Gita. Do not be dependant on money, wealth, family, etc. Be dependent only on God.

For our Self, we only need to depend on God and repose. We have to do actions
only to neutralise our inclination to do actions. To get rid of our desire to do. We do not have to do for our Self. The doing must be for the benefit of others. Then only your inclination to do will get neutralised and you will be able to remain silent without doing (from inside and outside) anything. You also do to get worldly things. For this you have to be desireless. This will also come if you give the worldly things to persons who are in need of the same. You should use the bare minimum that you require for yourself. Do only for others.

Your goal should be 'How can I give happiness to others? How can I help others?
What can I do for the benefit of the world? Everything that is destructible is of and for the world. They are not yours or for you. Relinquishment of things
that are destructible is for you. Dependence on God is for us. Repose is for us.
Serve people without wanting anything in return. Relinquish your attachment to
the world and worldly things but serve everybody.

The best service is -

(i) do not think bad of anyone,

(ii) do not do bad for anyone and

(iii) do not want bad for anyone.

This is the best service. You cannot teach this to others unless you practice the same yourself. You have to apply this first in your life. It is only after you have applied this in your life that you will be able to influence others to do the same. Like the fragrance of a rose automatically spreads, similarly, your actions will automatically teach others.

Do everything for the benefit of others. Become a True Karmayogi.

Ram Ram
Radhe Radhe

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[aryayouthgroup] >>> Anyway >>>

Kriya Baba Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 9:34 AM

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People are unreasonable, illogical and self-centred. Love them anyway.
If you do good, people will accuse you of selfish ulterior motives. Do good anyway.
If you are successful, you win false friends and true enemies. Succeed anyway.
The good you do today will be forgotten tomorrow. Do good anyway.
Honesty and frankness make you vulnerable. Be honest and frank anyway.
People favour underdogs but follow only top dogs. Fight for some underdogs anyway.
What you spend years building may be destroyed overnight. Build anyway.
People really need help but may attack you if you help them. Help people anyway.
Give the world the best you have and you’ll get kicked in the teeth.
Give the world the best you’ve got anyway.

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[Vivekananda Shakha] My name is not Khan, I am Mr Kaul
praful nikam Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 6:36 AM

My name is not Khan, I am Mr Kaul

I am not Khan. My name bears a different set of four letters: K A U L. Kaul. As those who know Indian names would understand I happened to be born in a family which was called Hindu by others. Hence, we were sure, we would never get a friend like KJ to make a movie on our humiliations, and the contemptuous and forced exile from our homeland. It's not fashionable. It's fashionable to get a Khan as a friend and portray his agony and pains and sufferings when he is asked by a US private to take off his shoes and show his socks. Natural and quite justifiable that Khan must feel insulted and enraged. Enough Masala to make a movie.

But unfortunately I am a Kaul. I am not a Khan.

Hence when my sisters and mothers were raped and killed, when six-year-old Seema was witness to the brutal slaughtering of her brother, mother and father with a butcher's knife by a Khan, nobody ever came to make a movie on my agony, pain and anguish, and tears.

No KJ would make a movie on Kashmiri Hindus. Because we are not Khans. We are Kauls.

When we look at our own selves as Kauls, we also see a macabre dance of leaders who people Parliament. Some of them were really concerned about us. They got the bungalows and acres of greenery and had their portraits were worshipped by the gullible devotees of patriotism.

They made reservations in schools and colleges for us. In many many other states. But never did they try that we go back to our homes. They have other priorities and 'love your jihadi neighborhood' programmes. They get flabbier and flabbier with the passing of each year, sit on sacks of sermons; issue instructions to live simply and follow moral principles delivered by ancestors and kept in documents treated with time-tested preservatives.

They could play with me because my name is Kaul. And not Mr Khan. I saw the trailer to this fabulous movie, which must do good business at the box office.

There was not even a hint that terror is bad and it is worse if it is perpetuated in the name of a religion that means Peace. Peace be upon all its followers and all other the creatures too.

So you make a movie on the humiliation of taking off shoes to a foreign police force which has decided not to allow another 9/11.

The humiliation of taking off the shoes and the urge to show that you are innocent is really too deep. But what about the humiliation of leaving your home and hearth and the world and the relatives and wife and mother and father? And being forced to live in shabby tents, at the mercy of nincompoop leaders encashing your misery and bribe-seeking babus? And seeing your daughters growing up too sudden and finding no place to hide your shame?

No KJ would ever come forward to make a movie, a telling, spine-chilling narration on the celluloid, of five-year-old Seema, who saw her parents and brother being slaughtered by a butcher's knife in Doda. Because her dad was not Mr Khan. He was one Mr Kaul.

Sorry, Mr Kaul and your entire ilk. I can't help you.

It's not fashionable to side with those who are Kauls. And Rainas. And Bhatts. Dismissively called KPs. KPs means Kashmiri Pandits. They are a bunch of communalists. They were the agents of one Mr Jagmohan who planned their exodus so that Khans can be blamed falsely. In fact, a movie can be made on how these KPs conspired their own exile to give a bad name to the loving and affectionate Khan brothers of the valley.

To voice the woes of Kauls is sinful. The right course to get counted in the lists of the Prime Minister's banquets and the President's parties is to announce from the roof top: hey, men and ladies, I am Mr Khan.

The biggest apartheid the state observes is to exclude those who cry for Kauls, wear the colours of Ayodhya, love the wisdom of the civilisational heritage, dare to assert as Hindus in a land which is known as Hindustan too and struggle to live with dignity as Kauls. They are out and exiled. You can see any list of honours and invites to summits and late-evening gala parties to toast a new brand. All that the Kauls are allowed is a space at Jantar Mantar: shout, weep and go back to your tents after a tiring demonstration. Mr Kaul, you have got a wrong name.

A dozen KJs would fly to take you atop the glory - posts and gardens of sympathies if you accept to wear a Khan name and love a Sunita, Pranita, Komal or a Kamini. Well, here you have a sweetheart in Mandira. That goes well with the story.

And you pegged the movie plot on autism.

I wept. It was too much. I wept as a father of a son who needed a story as an Indian. Who cares for his autistic son, his relationship with the western world, his love affair with a young sweet something as a human, as someone whose heart goes beyond being a Hindu, a Muslim or a proselytizing Vatican-centric aggressive soul. Not the one who would declare in newspaper interviews: "I think I am an ambassador for Islam". Shah Rukh is Shah Rukh, not because he is an ambassador for Islam. If that was true, he could have found a room in Deoband. Fine enough. But he became a heartthrob and a famousl star because he is a great actor. He owes everything he has to Indians and not just to Muslims. We love him not because he is some Mr Khan. We love him because he has portrayed the dreams, aspirations, pains, anguish and ups and downs of our daily life. As an Indian. As one of us.

If he wants to use our goodwill and love for strengthening his image as an ambassador for Islam, will we have to think to put up an ambassador for Hindus? That, at least to me, would be unacceptable because I trust everyone: a Khan or a Kaul or a Singh or a Victor. Who represents India represents us all too, including Hindus. My best ambassadorship would be an ambassadorship for the tricolour and not for anything else because I see my Ram and Dharma in that. I don't think even an Amitabh or a Hritik would ever think in terms Shah Rukh has chosen for himself. But shouldn't these big, tall, successful Indians who wear Hindu names make a movie on why Kauls were ousted? Why Godhra occurred in the first place? Why nobody, yes, not a single Muslim, comes forward to take up the cause of the exiled and killed and contemptuously marginalized Kauls whereas every Muslim complainant would have essentially a Hindu advocate to take on Hindus as fiercely as he can?

If you are Mr Khan and found dead on the railway tracks, the entire nation would be shaken. And he was also a Rizwan. May be just a coincidence that our Mr Khan in the movie is also a Rizwan.

Rizwan's death saw the police commissioner punished and cover stories written by missionary writers. But if you are a Sharma or a Kaul and happened to love an Ameena Yusuf in Srinagar, you would soon find your corpse inside the police thana and NONE, not even a small-time local paper would find it worthwhile to waste a column on you. No police constable would be asked to explain how a wrongly detained person was found dead in police custody?

Because the lover found dead inside a police thana was not Mr Khan. No KJ would ever come forward to make a movie on 'My name is Kaul. And I am terror-struck by Khans'.

Give me back my identity as an Indian, Mr. Khan and I would have no problem even wearing your name and appreciating the tender love of an autistic son.

Thanks & Regards,

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