Sunday, May 25, 2008


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From: sadhak_insight
Date: Sun, May 25, 2008 at 4:44 AM
Subject: [gita-talk] Multitude and singularity of the MIND, (CONSCIOUSNESS?).

I have watched brilliant men, arguing over the origins of the
universe on TV.
People getting tangled up with what was before. And how nature is a
ware zone.
A technical technique I have used called Lissajous, will reveal one
frequency among a multitude, simply by using the right reference. I
think using the right reference can expose among the dross the TRUTH.
I don't believe modern western thinking will get there, unless
courage is shown in the understanding that the intellect is a very
long road.
I am trying to be introspective, not intellectual.
There is a question here, something to do with multitude and
singularity of the MIND, (CONSCIOUSNESS?).

Any insights based on the Gita ?

Yours in respect,


> :Shree Hari:
> 1st April, 2008, Tuesday
> Chaitra Krishna Dashami, Vikram Samvat 2064, Mangalvar
> Just like at present, this hall is illumed by the sun light, and
in this light there is no coming and going. This light is naturally
present. Similarly for illuminating this entire universe, there is
that essential Consciousness. Just like the Sun illumes all,
similarly for all fields the illuminator is the "knower of the
field". All you have to know is that He (Supreme Consciousness) is
the illuminator of all. Whatever you may do, but that illumination
is there as IS. In this hall if some one comes and some one goes
away, if entire hall is completely filled up, then too, there will be
no change in the light. Even if it is completely empty, then too
there is no change in the light. That light (illumination) remains
as IS. Similiarly the illuminator of this entire Universe, remains
as IS. If the world does all kinds of activity or it does not. In
the day time all work gets done and at night all are sleeping and
resting, then too there is no difference in the
> illumination, and that light continues to illume the entire
Universe. It illumes the field and the knower of the field. It does
not create the light. When the Sun arrives, there is automatically
light. Sun is not generating any light, it has the natural tendency
and strength to illume. Similarly that Supreme Consciousness remains
as IS, at all times and eternally, and activities that takes place,
all take place in nature. It is that Supreme Consciousness that
illuminates all. And that illumination simply happens.
> Our essential state is naturally in that light (consciousness).
All beings are naturally established in that consciousness. But
instead we begin to consider the one that is being illumed as real.
We gave it (the one being illumed) a reality and we gave it
importance. This is the reason for bondage. The existence and
importance of the reality of all beings in nature has been given by
us. Therefore it is up to us to remove it. This has not been given
by God. It has been created by us.
> God's consciousness is equally present everywhere. This is a
simple and straightforward point. All fields are being illumed and
all that is illumed, we have given it a reality and importance, even
though in reality this illumination is not it's own. "Nasoto
vidhyate bhavah" "The unreal has no existence." (Gita 2:16). It
never was, it will not remain afterwards and it is changing every
moment. At first, there was non-existence of the world (before
creation), then later, there will be non-existence of the world
(after destruction), and while it appears to be existing right now,
it too is constantly changing. It does not have an existence of it's
own. It is the existence of the illuminator that is giving it a
feeling of existence. That is all there is to it.
> God (Supreme Consciousness) is the illuminator of all. This is
the simple straight forward point. Only that consciousness IS. IT
is not the giver of the reality to all, IT is not the creator of
existence of all, IT simple IS. When one realizes the existence of
that one and only Supreme Consciousness, then one realizes that there
is only God. Not "All is God" "Vasudeva Sarvam" but only
God "Vasudeva" (Supreme Consciousness) .
> From Discourse in Hindi by Swami Ramsukhdasji on October 2, 2004
at 5:00 a.m.
> Ram Ram
> For full online discourses in Hindi, please visit Swami
Ramsukhdasji's website.


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